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Re: Comparison of different Lemmy Instances

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Post by stinkytaco »

valdiorn wrote: post #37
reddisbad wrote: post #30

Will Lemmy ever progress beyond discussions about federation?

Things that are destined to fail: * Cryptocurrencies who's sole reason to exist is to justify its own existence. "We need token X to perform operation Y. Operation Y is important to facilitate the trade of token X". Seriously, how many tokens exist for the only purpose of being "gas" for its own network? * Social networks that only discuss itself and its own existence. * Programming languages where the largest projec…

I'd argue that social networks are a little bit different because discussing is what they do. Reddit is obsessed with itself, when I'd say most of the wide world doesn't care about the API or 3rd party app business (though they eventually may if moderation gets bad). Even 15 years ago a good amount of posting on reddit was about itself: secret Santas, seeing reddit bumper stickers, self referential memes, killing digg, how it was going mainstream, etc. It's a pretty natural progression of any project. That isn't to say federation will be successful, just that its self obsession is pretty normal.

Re: Comparison of different Lemmy Instances

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Post by ticoombs »

rcarmo wrote: post #10
mikae1 wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They say the instance you choose doesn't matter that much I would way that's not true. Mostly speaking from a Mastodon perspective, but should be true for Lemmy/Kbin too. Healthy small ones with active moderation should be a good choice as they have a lesser chance of being defederated. Many smaller instances recently defederated mastodon.social because of spam. You should also choose one that doesn't defederate ot…

Spam is one factor, but biases is another that I don't see mentioned often enough. I'm on mastodon.social, see zero spam, and reading through discussions of past bans it looks as if smaller admins banned it because of tiny vocal minorities that might as well be individually dealt with. I also signed up to another instance (which I am not going to mention) and to hachyderm.io (which nominally caters more to techies, a…

I'm running reddthat.com if you want a general instance that is federating with every instance :)

Re: Comparison of different Lemmy Instances

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Post by Sakos »

ticoombs wrote: post #40
Sakos wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Passwords can't be longer than 20char This has to be a bad joke. > Also don't enter an email when trying to join initially, if you can. The UI waits for the email to send before returning Sorry, this is supposed to be a viable alternative to Reddit?

> > Passwords can't be longer than 20char > This has to be a bad joke. There are plenty of rough edges, that the community is finding. > Sorry, this is supposed to be a viable alternative to Reddit? It is an alternative that removes a problem that Reddit users were facing. Lack of Control. It gives control back to the users. I wouldn't say it's perfect but if a person doesn't want a company being completely in contro…

The vast majority of casual users don't care. They want something that works and doesn't get in their way with weird bullshit. If you want lemmy to be something other than a self-filtered community of misfits and outcasts, you need to make it convenient and easy to use/grok for casual users.

Based on your reply, it's clear that lemmy will never be anything other than an afterthought.

Re: Comparison of different Lemmy Instances

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Post by ink_13 »

8organicbits wrote: post #23
Sol- wrote: post #9

Needing to think about instances and having to create legends of features they support already dooms widespread adoption, but I suppose this can be fine. Small communities and spaces can be a benefit, though they'll be heavily filter-bubbled towards the tech/nerd crowd. Shame we don't live in a world where Reddit somehow turned into non-profit for the common good like Wikipedia before it monopolized forum culture and…

> having to create legends of features they support If you search for a new email provider, you'll see the same legends. Email adoption is not doomed.

Small email providers are doomed, though. If they don't have an address from their ISP, just about everybody just gets a GMail account, or ProtonMail if they're more privacy focused.

I'd like to host my own mail but it's not worth it anymore thanks to spammers.

Re: Comparison of different Lemmy Instances

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Post by The_Colonel »

brainbag wrote: post #32
nologic01 wrote: post #29

Would be quite useful to add the focus of each instance (e.g. tecnhology, music, art, etc). Reddit migrants to lemmy would probably want to join specialized instances that resemble the subs they frequented. p.s. checking out beehaw I realise that lemmy can be run either as a reddit alternative (with lots of subreddits communities on different topics) or as a discourse type forum (with categories). thats good flexibil…

How do we explain what instance to join for people if they followed technology, music, and art? I have tried explaining this to friends, and there's new and unique vocabulary. I end up having to explain a bunch of other stuff too and their eyes glaze over. Is there an ELI5 or guided setup for people who don't want to deep dive into federation but want to talk about art, music, and tech (and memes)?

It's not that difficult. Lemmy is like email. You need an instance to host your account like gmail, outlook or gmx, but you can still send/receive emails with everybody else.

Re: Comparison of different Lemmy Instances

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Post by rcarmo »

misnome wrote: post #26
rcarmo wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Spam is one factor, but biases is another that I don't see mentioned often enough. I'm on mastodon.social, see zero spam, and reading through discussions of past bans it looks as if smaller admins banned it because of tiny vocal minorities that might as well be individually dealt with. I also signed up to another instance (which I am not going to mention) and to hachyderm.io (which nominally caters more to techies, a…

> reading through discussions of past bans it looks as if smaller admins banned it because of tiny vocal minorities that might as well be individually dealt with. I’ve ceased looking at the local feed (instead of people I follow), because it always seemed to be defederation drama. This mostly seemed to be “This other large instance has one person we don’t like and won’t impose _our_ moderation standards, so we are de…

I am actually running a Takahe instance, and it is the lightest, easiest to maintain thing I've found. Doesn't seem to like Lemmy though:

https://github.com/jointakahe/takahe/issues/588

Re: Comparison of different Lemmy Instances

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Post by indigochill »

stinkytaco wrote: post #41
valdiorn wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Things that are destined to fail: * Cryptocurrencies who's sole reason to exist is to justify its own existence. "We need token X to perform operation Y. Operation Y is important to facilitate the trade of token X". Seriously, how many tokens exist for the only purpose of being "gas" for its own network? * Social networks that only discuss itself and its own existence. * Programming languages where the largest projec…

I'd argue that social networks are a little bit different because discussing is what they do. Reddit is obsessed with itself, when I'd say most of the wide world doesn't care about the API or 3rd party app business (though they eventually may if moderation gets bad). Even 15 years ago a good amount of posting on reddit was about itself: secret Santas, seeing reddit bumper stickers, self referential memes, killing dig…

> That isn't to say federation will be successful

Federation is already successful, since email is federated (you can register on gmail.com and send an email to an account at yahoo.com, or even run your own email server, although the ecosystem has evolved/commercialized to make that more difficult than it strictly has to be).

But Lemmy, we'll see. Maybe a better-written competitor emerges, or maybe they get their act together, or maybe the world doesn't want a federated Reddit clone (although my personal bet is that it does and subreddits are sort of the centralized prototype of that). But there's no question that federation itself is useful in certain applications.

Re: Comparison of different Lemmy Instances

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Post by goykasi »

ticoombs wrote: post #40
Sakos wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Passwords can't be longer than 20char This has to be a bad joke. > Also don't enter an email when trying to join initially, if you can. The UI waits for the email to send before returning Sorry, this is supposed to be a viable alternative to Reddit?

> > Passwords can't be longer than 20char > This has to be a bad joke. There are plenty of rough edges, that the community is finding. > Sorry, this is supposed to be a viable alternative to Reddit? It is an alternative that removes a problem that Reddit users were facing. Lack of Control. It gives control back to the users. I wouldn't say it's perfect but if a person doesn't want a company being completely in contro…

> There are plenty of rough edges, that the community is finding

What have they been doing since 2019?

Re: Comparison of different Lemmy Instances

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Post by phpisthebest »

8organicbits wrote: post #20
NoboruWataya wrote: post #2

What instances are people here using? I recently decided to give Lemmy a try. From what I had been seeing I was planning to sign up to BeeHaw, only to find that they had defederated two of the largest instances due to their lax sign-up policies. I can understand their reasoning and it looks like it was relatively well handled, but it still makes that instance impractical. I ended up going to VLemmy as it was one of t…

I'm on Beehaw, and I like the way the defederation was handled. Here's the latest from them: https://beehaw.org/post/594843 You can see some positive comments from users about the change and a transparent road map for re-federating. To put it another way, would you want to join an instance that isn't trying (or is failing to) contain harassment and other forms of bad actors? That's the challenge the de-fed is address…

Seems like beehaw is a very pro-censorship platform, and everything that social media should not be, so it will be a hard pass for me. Social media is a big enough echo chamber

Edit:

Now having read their "What is Beehaw" Post [1], I can clearly see I was correct and would NEVER want to be a part of that oppressive community, That post is fill with political ideology, plainly false statements, and mental contractions... wow. just wow

[1] https://beehaw.org/post/107014

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