Trip report: Summer ISO C++ standards meeting in Varna, Bulgaria

I am very happy to see that the work on fibers is continuing. I was under the impression that with the addition of coroutines, the focus would have shifted. Glad i am wrong.

What's the best way for someone to keep track of the progress and the conversation around a specific proposal ?

Re: Trip report: Summer ISO C++ standards meeting in Varna, Bulgaria

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Post by rightbyte » Mon, Jun 19, 2023, 4:47 AM UTC

I feel things with C++ are not as bad as with Python, but I would really like a "core language freeze" for 10 years now or something. I don't want to keep up with all these changes. To many enthusiasts on the committee.

Re: Trip report: Summer ISO C++ standards meeting in Varna, Bulgaria

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Post by foota » Mon, Jun 19, 2023, 4:55 AM UTC

rightbyte wrote: post #5

I feel things with C++ are not as bad as with Python, but I would really like a "core language freeze" for 10 years now or something. I don't want to keep up with all these changes. To many enthusiasts on the committee.

I for one welcome the new features! I don't think it's too hard to learn a few new things every 3 years.

Re: Trip report: Summer ISO C++ standards meeting in Varna, Bulgaria

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Post by nick__m » Mon, Jun 19, 2023, 4:57 AM UTC

2h wrote: post #3

saboot wrote: post #2

Ctrl+f "Reflection" -> 0 results Maybe next year ..

Same for "safety"

reflection seems almost dead but there are 2 papers listed on Herb's summary that directly relate to safety:

P2530 hazaerd pointers https://www.open-std.org/jtc1/sc22/wg21/docs/papers/2023/p25...

P2757 type checking for std::format https://www.open-std.org/jtc1/sc22/wg21/docs/papers/2023/p27...

Re: Trip report: Summer ISO C++ standards meeting in Varna, Bulgaria

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Post by rightbyte » Mon, Jun 19, 2023, 5:05 AM UTC

foota wrote: post #6

rightbyte wrote: post #5

I feel things with C++ are not as bad as with Python, but I would really like a "core language freeze" for 10 years now or something. I don't want to keep up with all these changes. To many enthusiasts on the committee.

I for one welcome the new features! I don't think it's too hard to learn a few new things every 3 years.

You have to think about newbies too. Python has made the same mistake as C++, but worse. At least C++ is not pretending to be user friendly.

"Modern" C++ was a mountain to climb for me. I think I will not even try to catch up on modules, contracts and what not. I'd rather go back to C for personal projects. I just don't have the stamina for another big C++ language change. And they add up.

Re: Trip report: Summer ISO C++ standards meeting in Varna, Bulgaria

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Post by maratc » Mon, Jun 19, 2023, 5:24 AM UTC

foota wrote: post #6

rightbyte wrote: post #5

I feel things with C++ are not as bad as with Python, but I would really like a "core language freeze" for 10 years now or something. I don't want to keep up with all these changes. To many enthusiasts on the committee.

I for one welcome the new features! I don't think it's too hard to learn a few new things every 3 years.

The main issue with C++ cannot be resolved by an addition of any new feature.

Re: Trip report: Summer ISO C++ standards meeting in Varna, Bulgaria

#10

Post by riffraff » Mon, Jun 19, 2023, 5:29 AM UTC

rightbyte wrote: post #5

I feel things with C++ are not as bad as with Python, but I would really like a "core language freeze" for 10 years now or something. I don't want to keep up with all these changes. To many enthusiasts on the committee.

What new language features did python get recently that make it harder for newbies?