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Reddit is trying to sow division in mod teams because the protest is working

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Re: Reddit is trying to sow division in mod teams because the protest is working

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I think this can honestly be the nail in the coffin for Reddit as many people know it. I know it could easily be justified that it was “dead” years ago and the quality has only degraded over the years… but this really anchors things to the summer of 2023 being when things objectively changed in a big way. To be sure, Reddit itself will go on but only as a husk of its former self.

Not yet - there isn't a suitable replacement yet. But this would've been the perfect time for a Reddit alternative.

I think this will actually not change much for the users themselves. They'll continue using Reddit as normal, and move on. Mod teams will be shuffled, and some of the people using third-party apps (like myself) will just... not use Reddit as much (or at all).

I also don't know how a multi-hundred-million-user platform can be justified as already "dead". It might be dead in some elitist sense, as in "oh, all the smart people like me aren't using it anymore", but...

Re: Reddit is trying to sow division in mod teams because the protest is working

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post #7

The reddit mods are little tyrants in my experience. I hope the one's that think they own reddit get booted. Really, some of them are awful people. I wish I were trolling but I'm not. They can try to get their users to follow them somewhere else but it will fail because they are behaving unreasonably and breaking a site we all like, which has never been a big money maker. The mods belong in r/choosingbeggers for acti…

> which has never been a big money maker.

What are you on about, here?

Re: Reddit is trying to sow division in mod teams because the protest is working

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post #5

IMHO Reddit is going to confiscate closed subreddits and give it to mods that "better fit"

Makes sense. Reddit moderators are even more deluded about where the site's value is than they portray its owners to be. It is certainly not in the moderation work, which many do to satisfy their need for power over others, and for each moderator there are 100 sycophants and narcissists lined up to take their place. The value is in the users, the people who create content. And to that end the freest, fairest, and mos…

The power-users and power-mods tend to overlap, so that's about the same group.

People unhappy with moderator choices can do what they always did, make the community that matches what they want.

> if people like it and want to use it and continue to participate

... Except the blind of course, or anyone else with accessibility needs. They'll be required to pay extra for access

Re: Reddit is trying to sow division in mod teams because the protest is working

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post #15
post #7

The reddit mods are little tyrants in my experience. I hope the one's that think they own reddit get booted. Really, some of them are awful people. I wish I were trolling but I'm not. They can try to get their users to follow them somewhere else but it will fail because they are behaving unreasonably and breaking a site we all like, which has never been a big money maker. The mods belong in r/choosingbeggers for acti…

> which has never been a big money maker. What are you on about, here?

Reddit has never made a lot of money. AI companies scrapped all their data for free which wasn't fair. So they start charging to support the site. I don't see how reddit owners are in the wrong here. But mods are behaving as expected, like petulant children.

Re: Reddit is trying to sow division in mod teams because the protest is working

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post #5

IMHO Reddit is going to confiscate closed subreddits and give it to mods that "better fit"

Makes sense. Reddit moderators are even more deluded about where the site's value is than they portray its owners to be. It is certainly not in the moderation work, which many do to satisfy their need for power over others, and for each moderator there are 100 sycophants and narcissists lined up to take their place. The value is in the users, the people who create content. And to that end the freest, fairest, and mos…

>Makes sense. Reddit moderators are even more deluded about where the site's value is than they portray its owners to be. It is certainly not in the moderation work, which many do to satisfy their need for power over others

Context for others: There are powermods who "moderate" hundreds of subreddits. This is not an exaggeration. Hundreds. At least one has/had thousands.

When questioned, they invariably say that they "just watch the incoming queue" or something, and the other mods "do all the work". While likely true in the literal sense (again, hundreds), such answers of course completely evade the question.

Remember, "Most of What You Read on the Internet is Written by Insane People" https://np.reddit.com/r/slatestarcodex/comments/9rvroo/most_...>. This also applies to powermods, assuming they're not being paid on the side to push some ideology.

Basically, losers who crave ruling a petty fiefdom because it's the only thing they can exercise agency over in their lives. And/or are mentally ill.

>and for each moderator there are 100 sycophants and narcissists lined up to take their place

Correct.

Most mods know this, which is why so many surrendered and reopened their subreddits the moment admins told them that otherwise they would be replaced. /r/formula1's mods forthrightly said as much; those of /r/nba claimed that negotiations had progressed far enough to justify reopening, which the thousands of replies show that the userbase 100% disbelieves.

>Closing subs to protest takes that choice out of the hands of the user. Make organic posts to the site to raise awareness of any particular issue or cause you like, and let those get viewed and voted as they will.

Even worse, a) /r/nba's top mod made more than 150 comments to six other NBA teams' subreddits during the blackout. b) /r/nba mods posted secret threads—including the Game 5 discussion that they denied from their own users—and made comments during the blackout. When users discovered the threads the mods of course scrubbed the comments, but there is no way for mods to actually delete (as opposed to hiding) posts, so evidence of their hypocritical behavior will live on forever.

>I wouldn't be too upset to see a few get their comeuppance for it.

We may yet see more than a few indeed get what they deserve, given the number of still-closed subreddits. I hope that when it happens it will be a ban on both accounts and IPs, so that as mods desperately log into alts each one get flagged and banned too.

Bonus: Speaking of getting what they deserve, the classic post in which a mod thinks what he does is worth $175K a year https://np.reddit.com/r/35orquit/comments/qw1v3e/what_do_peo...>. Be sure to read to the end, where he explains how he "saves lives".

Re: Reddit is trying to sow division in mod teams because the protest is working

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It’s Reddits platform. There’s no way to beat them other than leaving.

The most bizarre thing is how any mods could ever have thought that an indefinite blackout would possibly result in a win for them. Reddit, the company, had and has 100% of the power. At least workers on strike can march with signs around the factory and try to block replacements from entering. Mods have zero, zilch, zip power to prevent Reddit from doing whatever it wants with subreddits and mods' accounts.

Is it bloated egos from having had "infinite" authority (as long as they obeyed Redditwide rules) over hundreds of thousands or millions of other people during their visits to the mods' fiefdom of a subreddit? Or mental illness? My answer: `whynotboth.gif`

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