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Texas rules requiring water breaks for construction workers will be nullified

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Re: Texas rules requiring water breaks for construction workers will be nullified

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Post by BaseballPhysics »

avgcorrection wrote: post #50
thebradbain wrote: post #25

As a lifelong Texan who now lives in California— Texas has absolutely no problem overriding municipal and county governments, the biggest of which are solidly blue. It’s a pattern they’ve repeated for over 20 years, often more so as a show of force than anything that affects things at a state level: - Local “bag charges” and “bag bans” on non-reusable plastic bags at grocery stores were outlawed in 2018. - Anything t…

> Local “bag charges” and “bag bans” on non-reusable plastic bags at grocery stores were outlawed in 2018. Most “bag bans” are a propaganda campaign to frame the last participant in the supply chain as the culprit of everything. I’ve heard of stores that let you bring your own glass jars to fill up on e.g. almonds. That sounds more practical.

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Re: Texas rules requiring water breaks for construction workers will be nullified

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Post by Timon3 »

MandieD wrote: post #77
bombcar wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are very very few jobs that people actually want to do - and some places do provide stools. Aldi’s does and they’re notoriously famous for overworking their cashiers as much as they can. I’d expect to see stools at union grocery stories (but I don’t) so it must not be that big of a complaint. I have seen that almost all now have those padded floor things.

Aldi probably does this because all grocery cashiers in Germany (home of Aldi) have seats at their registers, and are sitting most of the time. Aldi here also makes them do all sorts of jobs around the store when their registers aren’t needed, so I guess being able to sit at the register is a legal requirement.

The ArbStättV (basically German "rules for places where people work") says in Anhang 3.3 (2):

> (2) Kann die Arbeit ganz oder teilweise sitzend verrichtet werden oder lässt es der Arbeitsablauf zu, sich zeitweise zu setzen, sind den Beschäftigten am Arbeitsplatz Sitzgelegenheiten zur Verfügung zu stellen. Können aus betriebstechnischen Gründen keine Sitzgelegenheiten unmittelbar am Arbeitsplatz aufgestellt werden, obwohl es der Arbeitsablauf zulässt, sich zeitweise zu setzen, müssen den Beschäftigten in der Nähe der Arbeitsplätze Sitzgelegenheiten bereitgestellt werden.

Roughly translated:

> If the work can be done fully or partially while sitting or if the workflow allows intermittent seating, the worker has to have a place to sit at their place of work. If due to work circumstances no seating can be set up directly at the place of work, even though the workflow itself allows for intermittent seating, the worker has to have a place to sit close to his place of work.

Very roughly translated, sorry.

https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/arbst_ttv_2004/anhang.htm...

Re: Texas rules requiring water breaks for construction workers will be nullified

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Post by BaseballPhysics »

systemvoltage wrote: post #62
thebradbain wrote: post #25

As a lifelong Texan who now lives in California— Texas has absolutely no problem overriding municipal and county governments, the biggest of which are solidly blue. It’s a pattern they’ve repeated for over 20 years, often more so as a show of force than anything that affects things at a state level: - Local “bag charges” and “bag bans” on non-reusable plastic bags at grocery stores were outlawed in 2018. - Anything t…

Honestly, this sounds like an advertisement for Texas to me. Kind of want to move there (I live in California).

Sure, if you don't like local communities being able to make decisions on behalf of their citizens (or put another way: democracy), it must sound great.

Re: Texas rules requiring water breaks for construction workers will be nullified

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Post by BaseballPhysics »

denimnerd42 wrote: post #29

Is this specific regulation really an issue? I understand heat related deaths do occur but is it because they are not allowed water breaks every 4!! hours? If you're working out there in 115+ heat index like June, July, August, September bring you're going to need a water break every 20-40 minutes, especially decked out in full PPE. I don't see overseers out there driving these Hispanic laborers to work 8 hours strai…

> I don't see overseers out there driving these Hispanic laborers to work 8 hours straight.

Are you joking?

Re: Texas rules requiring water breaks for construction workers will be nullified

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Post by thebradbain »

bob1029 wrote: post #43
thebradbain wrote: post #25

As a lifelong Texan who now lives in California— Texas has absolutely no problem overriding municipal and county governments, the biggest of which are solidly blue. It’s a pattern they’ve repeated for over 20 years, often more so as a show of force than anything that affects things at a state level: - Local “bag charges” and “bag bans” on non-reusable plastic bags at grocery stores were outlawed in 2018. - Anything t…

I am curious what your experience was like moving TX=>CA. I've been considering the same.

I have complex relationships with both states, and family roots in each, so my entire life has been spent between the two, and I often visit Texas still.

Both are dysfunctional in completely different ways, and both succeed in very opposite AND similar ways, too.

Regarding “homelessness and crime”, though— I have not noticed a significant difference feeling in safety in either. And in both I lived in the “city” (Dallas and Los Angeles) rather than sprawling suburbs.

I do feel actually a lot more worried in Texas about gun violence when I go back, and find myself always mentally making a note of exit plans in e.g. concert venues or malls back in Texas.

I personally prefer the people in California more than in Texas, but that’s a subjective value judgement. That’s ultimately what keeps me here.

Re: Texas rules requiring water breaks for construction workers will be nullified

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Post by TheNewsIsHere »

Volundr wrote: post #78
avgcorrection wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Local “bag charges” and “bag bans” on non-reusable plastic bags at grocery stores were outlawed in 2018. Most “bag bans” are a propaganda campaign to frame the last participant in the supply chain as the culprit of everything. I’ve heard of stores that let you bring your own glass jars to fill up on e.g. almonds. That sounds more practical.

> Most “bag bans” are a propaganda campaign to frame the last participant in the supply chain as the culprit of everything. I doubt you meant it this way, but this is the thing that peeves me most about the Republican party continuing to spout on about local control, small government, and personal freedoms. As soon as a locality makes a choice they don't like (bag bans), or a person uses their freedom in a way they d…

Very well put.

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Post by avgcorrection »

BaseballPhysics wrote: post #81
avgcorrection wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Local “bag charges” and “bag bans” on non-reusable plastic bags at grocery stores were outlawed in 2018. Most “bag bans” are a propaganda campaign to frame the last participant in the supply chain as the culprit of everything. I’ve heard of stores that let you bring your own glass jars to fill up on e.g. almonds. That sounds more practical.

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I know.

Re: Texas rules requiring water breaks for construction workers will be nullified

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Post by avgcorrection »

Volundr wrote: post #78
avgcorrection wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Local “bag charges” and “bag bans” on non-reusable plastic bags at grocery stores were outlawed in 2018. Most “bag bans” are a propaganda campaign to frame the last participant in the supply chain as the culprit of everything. I’ve heard of stores that let you bring your own glass jars to fill up on e.g. almonds. That sounds more practical.

> Most “bag bans” are a propaganda campaign to frame the last participant in the supply chain as the culprit of everything. I doubt you meant it this way, but this is the thing that peeves me most about the Republican party continuing to spout on about local control, small government, and personal freedoms. As soon as a locality makes a choice they don't like (bag bans), or a person uses their freedom in a way they d…

You’re right that I meant none of those things since I didn’t mention them.

An aside.

Re: Texas rules requiring water breaks for construction workers will be nullified

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Post by systemvoltage »

BaseballPhysics wrote: post #83
systemvoltage wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Honestly, this sounds like an advertisement for Texas to me. Kind of want to move there (I live in California).

Sure, if you don't like local communities being able to make decisions on behalf of their citizens (or put another way: democracy), it must sound great.

I prefer balanced federalism. You obviously can't have local nut jobs passing insane laws but same applies to top down federal powers – IMO this is the real problem in USA across all states. Federal agencies are in some ways more powerful and have unchecked powers – congress leaves a lot of leeway as they can't exactly dictate every single rule/regulation. Unelected people dictate vast majority of the day to day rules/regs.

In regards to freedom, New Hamsphire/Florida ranks #1 or #2 usually in the freedom index across the board: https://cdn.freedominthe50states.org/download/2021/print-edi...

Texas is midway down the line and California is abysmally at 48th. Folks here are saying "Fascism!", I just find that very funny and ironic; if anything California tramples on people's rights more than any other state. Just look at the cases put forth the 9th circuit.

We should encourage various levels of federalism in different states instead of hurling insults and shutting down the conversation (not you per se, but generally in liberal circles). Everyone is so dug in.

Honestly as a Californian, I want to encourage more competition from other states. It feels like a giant monoculture destroying itself here.

Re: Texas rules requiring water breaks for construction workers will be nullified

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Post by bequanna »

khuey wrote: post #46
bequanna wrote: post #16

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This is pretty strong conjecture that is the exact opposite of what is currently happening. If Texas is such a terrible place to live, why are so many people moving there?

> why are so many people moving there? Because its legal to build housing there, unlike much of the country.

I think there is a little more to it but housing is certainly one reason.
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