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Re: I have received a $100k sponsorship for Ladybird browser

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Post by not_your_vase »

Raz2 wrote: post #45
not_your_vase wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Realistically another browser engine really isn't needed. 2 is enough. Currently the internet is what Chrome is - if Google decides that they don't like something on the internet, they can just wipe it. Firefox is dying. (And Safari is... well... it does things). The internet has been rotting away for good part of the last decade. We definitely don't have enough browser engines, we are in dire need of more.

> Firefox is dying Then I don’t understand how this new thing will not be stillborn. It is years before becoming usable and even then it will be worse than Firefox.

Google definitely did everything they could to marginalize Firefox, but Firefox's position isn't entirely the making of Google. Mozilla was also busy messing things up, and alienate not only their adhoc users, but many of their diehard fanatics also.

Firefox isn't dying because it's a bad browser or because it has no place on the market. It is dying because of mismanagement, mostly for not knowing what their users really want and need. They have no idea why their current users are using their browser, instead of Chrome. They just go with the stream, and seemingly are content that Google is keeping them on life support.

But it doesn't mean that new browsers will make the same mistakes, or that there is no need for new ones at all.

With that said, I would be lying if I would say that you are completely wrong. I just don't want you to be right, regardless how slim of a chance it is, because the state of internet is not getting any better that way.

Re: I have received a $100k sponsorship for Ladybird browser

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Post by hardware2win »

andybak wrote: post #71
SecretDreams wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> How do you feel about the fact that all your institutional knowledge is now not visible outside of Discord, not indexed and barely searchable? No different than an office workspace no?

Discord is a replacement for IRC, forums and mailing lists - not for hanging out in meat-space.

Is IRC google searchable?

Re: I have received a $100k sponsorship for Ladybird browser

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Post by moneywoes »

yrro wrote: post #67
andybak wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How do you feel about the fact that all your institutional knowledge is now not visible outside of Discord, not indexed and barely searchable? How do you feel about the fact that the long-term survival of this knowledge is at the whim of a company that is mostly focused on the gaming community and has no vested interest in preservation over longer time periods? When was the last time you found an answer to a question…

Have you considered logging what's said in each channel and publishing it to your project's web site?

i have a rough prototype of this if anyone with a Discord is interested in trying it out email in bio

Re: I have received a $100k sponsorship for Ladybird browser

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Post by harrisi »

hardware2win wrote: post #83
andybak wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Discord is a replacement for IRC, forums and mailing lists - not for hanging out in meat-space.

Is IRC google searchable?

In my experience, there is usually some percentage of people that archive whatever channels they use. Sometimes they will put them up on a website.

There's also nothing stopping anyone from doing that, and it's quite easy. I've always just had irssi running on some server that archives everything and I ssh into the server when I want to chat.

Re: I have received a $100k sponsorship for Ladybird browser

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Post by Riverheart »

awesomekling wrote: post #5

Hello friends! I am very excited about this indeed :) If you’d like to know more about Ladybird, I did a presentation about it at the Web Engines Hackfest in Spain just two weeks ago: https://youtu.be/De8N1zrQwRs

Hey akling, since you’re building a browser I’ve got to ask, do you have any thoughts on https://htmx.org/ or whether it could be supported as part of some extension to Ladybird?

Re: I have received a $100k sponsorship for Ladybird browser

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Post by calvinmorrison »

hardware2win wrote: post #83
andybak wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Discord is a replacement for IRC, forums and mailing lists - not for hanging out in meat-space.

Is IRC google searchable?

if you hung out in channels there would often be a log bot

If it was a channel with a lot of users, also a general bot would often exist.

For example you could call up faqs easily on say systemd in Debian by just hitting !systemd

You could add to the faqs on the fly

All faqs were synced back to the website.

So we're just reinventing the wheel here

Re: I have received a $100k sponsorship for Ladybird browser

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Post by 3np »

simonw wrote: post #48
jraph wrote: post #20

Ladybird looks amazing. Just as I was losing faith that building a browser from scratch today was an almost impossible task that only a big company could pull off, they proved otherwise. I compiled it and added packages to install on openSUSE for this in the readme... which was easy because you don't need much to build this browser! And it builds in a few minutes. I wish Discord was not mandatory to interact with the…

I resisted starting a Discord for my open source projects for years. With hindsight that was a mistake. I finally created one a year ago and it had a huge impact on the velocity of the project - I now have active engagement with users and a growing pool of contributors and collaborators, all thanks to that group. I think often it's important to prioritize reducing friction to getting involved over (very rational) res…

In case you're not aware, as an operator/mod/admin it's fairly straight-forward to bridge a Discord channel to Matrix (and, if one so desires, from there to IRC), allowing users not on Discord to participate. Conservative mods concerned about spam can start with an allowlist for which servers can join.

https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix-appservice-discord

Re: I have received a $100k sponsorship for Ladybird browser

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Post by lazylion2 »

simonw wrote: post #48
jraph wrote: post #20

Ladybird looks amazing. Just as I was losing faith that building a browser from scratch today was an almost impossible task that only a big company could pull off, they proved otherwise. I compiled it and added packages to install on openSUSE for this in the readme... which was easy because you don't need much to build this browser! And it builds in a few minutes. I wish Discord was not mandatory to interact with the…

I resisted starting a Discord for my open source projects for years. With hindsight that was a mistake. I finally created one a year ago and it had a huge impact on the velocity of the project - I now have active engagement with users and a growing pool of contributors and collaborators, all thanks to that group. I think often it's important to prioritize reducing friction to getting involved over (very rational) res…

Andreas had a similar situation. its just really practical

Re: I have received a $100k sponsorship for Ladybird browser

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Post by calvinmorrison »

LeFantome wrote: post #46
nicoburns wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't Firefox already the Linux of web browsers?

As a multi-decade long Firefox user, I am going to say no. Firefox is produced by a single company and its users are completely beholden to the choices that the company makes. In some ways, Chromium is closer to being the Linux of browsers. There are multiple “distributions” or instances of the technology ( Chrome, Edge, Brave, and others ). There is at least some collaboration on the core. Chromium is not developed…

Nobody cares there's only one implementation that's really used widely for Java. I don't see why I should care what VM is used for the web. Chromium can be that and you can build whatever tooling on top to interact with that VM
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