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Re: I have received a $100k sponsorship for Ladybird browser

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Post by timschumi »

FpUser wrote: post #27

Congrats for such a nice acknowledgement of your work. While looking at their other project I am curious that the author has decided to invent their own memory safe language currently implemented as transpiler to C++ written in Rust. Why not to just use Rust as their system language. I can imagine potential nightmares when debugging such concoction.

> While looking at their other project I am curious that the author has decided to invent their own memory safe language currently implemented as transpiler to C++ written in Rust. [...] I can imagine potential nightmares when debugging such concoction.

Compatibility with C++ is required at this point in time to interface with the thousands of lines of C++ code that have already been written. Assuming that everything will be written in Jakt at some point, then one could look into making more grave changes without having to care about compatibility (including maybe skipping the C++ part alltogether).

> Why not to just use Rust as their system language.

Rust has been evaluated, but discarded (mainly, iirc) due to it's approach (or lack thereof) for OOP. Also, the whole "we want to make things ourselves" thing.

Re: I have received a $100k sponsorship for Ladybird browser

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Post by jraph »

userbinator wrote: post #34
jraph wrote: post #20

Ladybird looks amazing. Just as I was losing faith that building a browser from scratch today was an almost impossible task that only a big company could pull off, they proved otherwise. I compiled it and added packages to install on openSUSE for this in the readme... which was easy because you don't need much to build this browser! And it builds in a few minutes. I wish Discord was not mandatory to interact with the…

I compiled it and added packages to install on openSUSE for this in the readme... which was easy because you don't need much to build this browser! And it builds in a few minutes. Did you also make this post from it? I wish Discord was not mandatory to interact with the community Agreed. My preference is IRC or even mailing lists.

> Did you also make this post from it?

Nope! Apparently it does not like the textarea used to reply to a comment on HN.

Re: I have received a $100k sponsorship for Ladybird browser

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Post by ChickeNES »

awesomekling wrote: post #5

Hello friends! I am very excited about this indeed :) If you’d like to know more about Ladybird, I did a presentation about it at the Web Engines Hackfest in Spain just two weeks ago: https://youtu.be/De8N1zrQwRs

Is there a chance of an embeddedable/library version in the future? I think there are a lot of places where it would be useful, plus it would allow ports to more esoteric systems

Re: I have received a $100k sponsorship for Ladybird browser

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Post by andybak »

simonw wrote: post #48
jraph wrote: post #20

Ladybird looks amazing. Just as I was losing faith that building a browser from scratch today was an almost impossible task that only a big company could pull off, they proved otherwise. I compiled it and added packages to install on openSUSE for this in the readme... which was easy because you don't need much to build this browser! And it builds in a few minutes. I wish Discord was not mandatory to interact with the…

I resisted starting a Discord for my open source projects for years. With hindsight that was a mistake. I finally created one a year ago and it had a huge impact on the velocity of the project - I now have active engagement with users and a growing pool of contributors and collaborators, all thanks to that group. I think often it's important to prioritize reducing friction to getting involved over (very rational) res…

How do you feel about the fact that all your institutional knowledge is now not visible outside of Discord, not indexed and barely searchable?

How do you feel about the fact that the long-term survival of this knowledge is at the whim of a company that is mostly focused on the gaming community and has no vested interest in preservation over longer time periods?

When was the last time you found an answer to a question from an ancient newsgroup or mailing list that's archived on the open web? It happens to me fairly regularly.

(for context, I help maintain a Discord for an open source project and I feel like I'm betraying the web as an ideal - and constanty wish we had chosen differently)

EDIT - I didn't look to see who I was replying to. Simon -not you of all people! I'm less concerned about your specific community than I am about the example you're setting and the the fact you're lending your voice to support a worrying trend that affects the long-term health of open source.

Re: I have received a $100k sponsorship for Ladybird browser

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Post by tannhaeuser »

userbinator wrote: post #39
tannhaeuser wrote: post #16

Congrats! Considering HTML but mostly CSS complexity is expanding all the time as we speak (discussed on the HN front page right now [1]), are there points to be addressed at the likes of W3C, Inc and github.com/whatwg to make your work easier or even possible? Such as versioned CSS specs/CSS profiles (subsets), test suites aligned with CSS or HTML versions, test suites usable without JS (eg web-platform-test for CSS…

but mostly CSS complexity is expanding all the time as we speak That's the biggest problem facing new browser implementations, and IMHO it's deliberate. Probably 99% of sites out there do not need any of the new crap that gets constantly added to the "standard", but continued propaganda by those constantly in power will practically guarantee that they will, under some guise of "progress" or "modernity". WHATWG is bas…

I agree in principle; a reasonable spec that doesn't change all the time is what's needed for supporting next-gen browser development (as in inspire a new generation). But that's not what's happening at all; collaborators of github.com/whatwg even welcomed the rejection of HTML profiles/subsets and target device classes when the idea was brought up by MS (to save IE, but still ;)

But the ones responsible for the piece of shit that is CSS are actually W3C, Inc. Not that the bad looks of Google having them by the balls is better than your scenario eg the impression W3C on its last legs receiving money to keep the illusion of a multi-party effort of web standards.

Re: I have received a $100k sponsorship for Ladybird browser

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Post by durandal1 »

troad wrote: post #41
jraph wrote: post #20

Ladybird looks amazing. Just as I was losing faith that building a browser from scratch today was an almost impossible task that only a big company could pull off, they proved otherwise. I compiled it and added packages to install on openSUSE for this in the readme... which was easy because you don't need much to build this browser! And it builds in a few minutes. I wish Discord was not mandatory to interact with the…

Very strong agree re Discord. Quite apart from Drew's ideological reasons to oppose Discord, with which I quite agree, I also tend to find that (a) busy group chats are not a great way to coordinate software development, and (b) the kinds of communities Discord is structurally designed to foster really don't tend to be communities I wish to be part of. I am a big fan of kling and his work on Ladybird though, and I wi…

Andreas seems like a guy that is more interesting in building stuff than ceremony/principles around how to build stuff. Which is probably why he has founded a highly productive community.

Re: I have received a $100k sponsorship for Ladybird browser

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Post by LeFantome »

awesomekling wrote: post #5

Hello friends! I am very excited about this indeed :) If you’d like to know more about Ladybird, I did a presentation about it at the Web Engines Hackfest in Spain just two weeks ago: https://youtu.be/De8N1zrQwRs

Huge thank you for SerenityOS, Ladybird, and maybe Jakt at some point.

Did this sponsorship result from your presentation?

Re: I have received a $100k sponsorship for Ladybird browser

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Post by Sakos »

LeFantome wrote: post #46
nicoburns wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't Firefox already the Linux of web browsers?

As a multi-decade long Firefox user, I am going to say no. Firefox is produced by a single company and its users are completely beholden to the choices that the company makes. In some ways, Chromium is closer to being the Linux of browsers. There are multiple “distributions” or instances of the technology ( Chrome, Edge, Brave, and others ). There is at least some collaboration on the core. Chromium is not developed…

Agreed. There are far more differences/changes between Chromium-based browsers than Firefox ones (which just remove Mozilla telemetry or provide a way to use old-style extensions). It really was a huge shame that they chose to base Edge on Chromium instead and I feel it points to clear issues in Firefox that prevent it from being the Linux of browsers.

I do wonder what's so wrong with FF that nobody wants to base their fork on it.

Re: I have received a $100k sponsorship for Ladybird browser

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Post by roetlich »

ChickeNES wrote: post #54
awesomekling wrote: post #5

Hello friends! I am very excited about this indeed :) If you’d like to know more about Ladybird, I did a presentation about it at the Web Engines Hackfest in Spain just two weeks ago: https://youtu.be/De8N1zrQwRs

Is there a chance of an embeddedable/library version in the future? I think there are a lot of places where it would be useful, plus it would allow ports to more esoteric systems

I guess the library part is LibWeb: https://github.com/SerenityOS/serenity/tree/master/Userland/...
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