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Don’t Talk to Police (2012) [video]

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Re: Don’t Talk to Police (2012) [video]

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Post by jameshart »

a2tech wrote: post #57
netule wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's strange, but you must be able to identify yourself if you're over the age of 14 [1] in The Netherlands. Having lived in the US for 20 years now, this also seems a bit draconian to me, but I didn't think much of it while growing up over there. [1]: https://www.rijksoverheid.nl/onderwerpen/paspoort-en-identit...

That would definitely be surprising for most Americans. Many of us (like my wife) never carry id unless they plan on driving.

... or entering a bar, or buying alcohol, or purchasing allergy medicine

Re: Don’t Talk to Police (2012) [video]

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Post by jameshart »

gymbeaux wrote: post #73
netule wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's strange, but you must be able to identify yourself if you're over the age of 14 [1] in The Netherlands. Having lived in the US for 20 years now, this also seems a bit draconian to me, but I didn't think much of it while growing up over there. [1]: https://www.rijksoverheid.nl/onderwerpen/paspoort-en-identit...

I could give a damn about 2A/the right to bear arms, but if I had to ID myself to police for asking for directions…

Please complete the sentence for me. How does this thought end?

Re: Don’t Talk to Police (2012) [video]

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Post by [deleted] »

rjh29 wrote: post #102
dudefeliciano wrote: post #77

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i would agree if someone is suspected of committing or witnessing a crime but to require ID for simply asking directions, and then getting arrested, seems like exactly the kind of overreach that gives a bad image to cops.

Chances are there is more to the story here. We're getting third-hand information after all.

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Re: Don’t Talk to Police (2012) [video]

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Post by _dain_ »

hknmtt wrote: post #31
hartator wrote: post #26

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> lacking in the US educational system In most other countries, cops can ask for your ID and basic questions and detain you if you are not complying.

they most certainly cannot detain you without a cause. in the context of what you wrote, if you do not have your id, which is not mandatory to carry, they can detain you for 48 hours in order to establish your identity, but if they fail they have to let you go.

Did you miss the part where he said "in other countries"?

Re: Don’t Talk to Police (2012) [video]

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Post by rjh29 »

lepus wrote: post #60
Johnny555 wrote: post #8

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Is there any country where it's advantageous to speak more than required to the police? (I'm sure there are some countries where you're required to speak more than in the USA where you're legally allowed not to speak at all without a lawyer)

Just one example is it's the norm to ask police for directions in Japan.

You need to carry a passport if you're a tourist in Japan. Although I did forget once and nobody cared, it isn't guaranteed.

Re: Don’t Talk to Police (2012) [video]

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Post by [deleted] »

morsch wrote: post #69
netule wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's strange, but you must be able to identify yourself if you're over the age of 14 [1] in The Netherlands. Having lived in the US for 20 years now, this also seems a bit draconian to me, but I didn't think much of it while growing up over there. [1]: https://www.rijksoverheid.nl/onderwerpen/paspoort-en-identit...

It's the same in Germany, but I still wouldn't expect the police to ask for my ID when asking for directions. The fact that you need to be able to identify yourself when asked doesn't mean that they are supposed to ask for it for every interaction.

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Re: Don’t Talk to Police (2012) [video]

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Post by avgcorrection »

I might assume as much just from the prejudice of watching American cops in the fictional media.

The ones who are portrayed as protagonists/good guys are often obsessed assholes who will do whatever it takes to solve the case, ranging from manipulating witnesses to doing borderline illegal things. Then their bozo superior gets in the way because they don’t see how, actually, in this case it would be totally worth it to do something without proper procedure, and actually being a maverick cop who just follows his gut is perfectly good and okay.

They only remain “the good guys” because they happen to catch the bad guys.

Re: Don’t Talk to Police (2012) [video]

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Post by yieldcrv »

culopatin wrote: post #100
aziaziazi wrote: post #82

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In my experience the general advice is : “Always carry with you a copy printed of your passport while leaving the original locked at the hotel”.

This is useless in any real situation. Gives you a false sense of security but no one will take a copy seriously.

agreed, looks like its down to "just have your passport on you at all times as a primary form of ID"

Re: Don’t Talk to Police (2012) [video]

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Post by abashedtemplate »

wegwerp wrote: post #108
netule wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's strange, but you must be able to identify yourself if you're over the age of 14 [1] in The Netherlands. Having lived in the US for 20 years now, this also seems a bit draconian to me, but I didn't think much of it while growing up over there. [1]: https://www.rijksoverheid.nl/onderwerpen/paspoort-en-identit...

Honestly, lots of us Dutchies leave the house from time to time without ID. I don’t even think to carry it when I go running, or to the gym. And most of the time if you interact with the police while out without your ID it isn’t really a problem. But that is of course only reliably true if you’re Dutch. The right kind of Dutch, too. Autochtoon used to be considered the polite term. (I always found it rather menacing…

your mind has been corrupted by US propaganda
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