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Re: Ask HN: Has Google search switched to infinite scrolling for you too now?

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Post by mvdtnz »

marak830 wrote: post #56
elzbardico wrote: post #38

Google pruned their index so radically that it doesn't make a difference anymore. For a bit less common stuff, but yet nothing esoteric, I get to the last page around page 4 or 5. And most of the stuff on those 5 pages are mostly SEO-farm copies of the same stuff. I quit looking for recipes on google. Bought a dozen of recipe books last year. fuck that shit.

As an ex chef, escoffier as a basis, then salt fat acid heat by Samin nosrat. Recipes are a guide for unfamiliar, but once you learn the profiles of each ingredient you can expand greatly. I know it's a bit off your comments and I certainly search myself for new basis to play with, but I hope it helps :-)

Respectfully this is obnoxious advice for the majority of home cooks. We just want to know what to cook and how.

Re: Ask HN: Has Google search switched to infinite scrolling for you too now?

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Post by omaranto »

kmoser wrote: post #68
crazygringo wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But this saves you a click so what do you dislike?

With distinct pages it's easy to bookmark them and/or remember "oh, there was something interesting on page three." With infinite scroll, that interesting thing becomes lost in a maze of twisty passages and more difficult to return to because you are never on an individual static page, but rather a single ever-changing page.

If you find an interesting search result on page 3 you seriously bookmark page 3 rather than bookmarking that link?

Re: Ask HN: Has Google search switched to infinite scrolling for you too now?

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Post by threads2 »

dustymcp wrote: post #70
joker_minmax wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm glad I'm not the only one who noticed it's harder to find recipes from smaller sites anymore.

I have been using openAI for this, its surprisingly accurate, and way faster for easy recipes and instructions.

We won a set of fancy cast iron pans and gpt explained to us what each of them are for. Way better experience than googling or reading wikipedia.

Re: Ask HN: Has Google search switched to infinite scrolling for you too now?

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Post by spdif899 »

mvdtnz wrote: post #71
marak830 wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As an ex chef, escoffier as a basis, then salt fat acid heat by Samin nosrat. Recipes are a guide for unfamiliar, but once you learn the profiles of each ingredient you can expand greatly. I know it's a bit off your comments and I certainly search myself for new basis to play with, but I hope it helps :-)

Respectfully this is obnoxious advice for the majority of home cooks. We just want to know what to cook and how.

Yeah those books are definitely great and the building blocks Nosrat provides are crucial for any home chef that wants to take a scientific approach to decision making in the kitchen. But most of the time, I just want to pick a recipe as a starting point

Re: Ask HN: Has Google search switched to infinite scrolling for you too now?

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Post by gumby »

mvdtnz wrote: post #71
marak830 wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As an ex chef, escoffier as a basis, then salt fat acid heat by Samin nosrat. Recipes are a guide for unfamiliar, but once you learn the profiles of each ingredient you can expand greatly. I know it's a bit off your comments and I certainly search myself for new basis to play with, but I hope it helps :-)

Respectfully this is obnoxious advice for the majority of home cooks. We just want to know what to cook and how.

It’s the opposite.

There’s nothing wrong at all with “cook by numbers” and it’s especially great if you didn’t learn to cook as a child. It’s like learning at a coding boot camp where you learn to write some simple business logic based on a spec, or learning algebra in grade 8: basically syntactic transforms with no theory.

But Salt, Fat, Acid, Heat will teach you to look in the fridge when you’re hungry but unmotivated and quickly make something from what happens to be there that isn’t boring, faster and cheaper than ordering junk food delivery.

Yes you could turn into a fancy chef but the suggested advice is great for someone like me, who doesn’t really care particularly about food.

Re: Ask HN: Has Google search switched to infinite scrolling for you too now?

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Post by gumby »

fenomas wrote: post #50
tester756 wrote: post #18

Despite all the hate Google and infinite scroll gets, it seems to be good decision doesn't it? You rarely go to even the second page, I'm almost always improving/changing the query instead of going to next pages, so even in those edge cases where I have to go to next pages, then auto loading next results when I'm at the bottom of the page seems viable solution Infinite scroll is annoying because e.g you cannot link t…

> Infinite scroll is annoying because e.g you cannot link to thing There are other reasons. It's annoying to me because on mobile there's a link I use often that's only in the footer of the page . And yep, the link is still there in the infinite scroll version of the results page - if you swipe violently downward several times then after 3-4 refreshes it gives up, and you can click footer links. (The link in question…

Have you tried adding lang:en to your query?

Re: Ask HN: Has Google search switched to infinite scrolling for you too now?

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Post by breadwinner »

They had to make this change because they increased the number of ads. If the result is paginated, a high percentage of links in the first page would be ads. With infinite scroll that's not a problem because there are an infinite number of links on "the first page".

Overall, Google has turned up the number of ads. Not just in search, but also in YouTube and also in Gmail. In YouTube, you didn't have ads in low-view-count videos. Now they have ads in all videos, whether the video owner turned it on or not. In Gmail, in the Promotions tab, only the top couple of items were ads, now there are ads interspersed with the rest of the mails.

Increasing revenue by turning up the volume of ads is very short sighted. Personally, I find Google properties less interesting now, and it is tarnishing the Google brand. So why are they doing this? Perhaps they need to fill a revenue shortfall caused by ChatGPT?

Re: Ask HN: Has Google search switched to infinite scrolling for you too now?

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Post by Severian »

robinsonb5 wrote: post #19
nomilk wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Out of interest, why? I find infinite scroll a pareto improvement (an improvement with no downsides)

On mobile it might be. On Desktop it (1) devalues the scrollbar, since you can no longer use its size in proportion to its container to judge how large the page is compared with your view of it, and (2) adds jank while the next set of results is loaded (the pause while loading feels random rather than an expected event in response to your changing page). The other thing that's annoying me is the overriding of cursor…

> On mobile it might be. On Desktop it (1) devalues the scrollbar, since you can no longer use its size in proportion to its container to judge how large the page is compared with your view of it, and (2) adds jank while the next set of results is loaded (the pause while loading feels random rather than an expected event in response to your changing page).The other thing that's annoying me is the overriding of cursor keys, making each scrolling step much larger than it would normally be. Yes, it might be more logical for a keypress to step to the next result, but that's not how the cursor keys are expected to behave in the browser, so it's jarring.

Re: Ask HN: Has Google search switched to infinite scrolling for you too now?

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Post by BestGuess »

tester756 wrote: post #18

Despite all the hate Google and infinite scroll gets, it seems to be good decision doesn't it? You rarely go to even the second page, I'm almost always improving/changing the query instead of going to next pages, so even in those edge cases where I have to go to next pages, then auto loading next results when I'm at the bottom of the page seems viable solution Infinite scroll is annoying because e.g you cannot link t…

That right there is the distraction though, more "efficient" for a corporate but worse for everybody else. Like you get a catch-22 but it's got its own catch-22. Issue ain't removing pages like you'd share page links, issue is making search "so efficient" clicking on page 5 or 10 direct is worthless then removing pages because google went and done made it worthless first. It's a buncha cattywampus and the real sad thing is Google only got better for itself you ask me, so it ain't really about sharing links to pages it's about pages having been made worthless
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