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People can be convinced they committed a crime that never happened (2015)

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Re: People can be convinced they committed a crime that never happened (2015)

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This is one of many reasons why you should never talk to police. There's nothing you can say that will better your position, and almost anything you do say will hurt your position. Famous video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-7o9xYp7eE&pp=ygUUZG9uJ3Qgd...

Re: People can be convinced they committed a crime that never happened (2015)

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How would you propose we differentiate between students "playing along" and students really having false memories? Couldn't I discard any psychological study by saying "well, the participants could have faked it", since it's by definition not falsifiable (any test could also be faked)?

Yes, you could discard any study under that rationale among others. And the interesting thing is you'd likely be far more 'informed' for doing so. Social psychology has the lowest replication rate of any field. You're looking at top journals with replication rates in the twenties. [1] What this means is that if you were to take any give study in social psychology, and simply assume it was 'wrong' (either saying the o…

I don't want to discount the replication crisis, but I'd like to ask you the same question again: how, specifically, do you design any psychological study that you can't discard with "well, they could be faking it"?

Re: People can be convinced they committed a crime that never happened (2015)

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post #52

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How would you propose, in this specific study, they verify what you want? Please be specific regarding what questions you want asked, when they should be asked, and how these questions can't be discarded by saying "well, they could be faking it".

I think this whole experimental paradigm is inherently unfixable.

So we just stop studying psychology completely?

Re: People can be convinced they committed a crime that never happened (2015)

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post #52

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You should indeed be extremely skeptical of studies whose only dependent variable is a voluntary participant response and where the participant has an incentive to tell the experimenter what they think they want to hear (for example, to make the experiment end faster).

How would you propose, in this specific study, they verify what you want? Please be specific regarding what questions you want asked, when they should be asked, and how these questions can't be discarded by saying "well, they could be faking it".

That’s for the author of the paper to design into the experiment

Re: People can be convinced they committed a crime that never happened (2015)

#66

This is one of many reasons why you should never talk to police. There's nothing you can say that will better your position, and almost anything you do say will hurt your position. Famous video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-7o9xYp7eE&pp=ygUUZG9uJ3Qgd...

Just hope that you're not in a jurisdiction in which silence can be used against you (such as the UK)

Re: People can be convinced they committed a crime that never happened (2015)

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I wonder if this is why people can become angry and aggressive when you accuse them of something. That would provide a natural defense against this kind of suggestibility. It obviously wouldn't work with the modern police, because they would overpower you, but a few thousand years ago? I think it could've worked.

Thinking about anger as a defense makes a lot of sense to me. The cost to the individual whose opinion might be changed is pretty big: you will have to re-evaluate any thoughts that branches off the thought that is being challenged, so it might have a cascading effect. There needs to either be some natural stopping points (i.e. the thought graph is acyclic), or some other mechanism must keep us from going in circles.

Not convincing in the general sense at least; I get high on learning new things that change my perspective entirely -- and that doesn't seem to be uncommon

Re: People can be convinced they committed a crime that never happened (2015)

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Except in this case for the follow up interviews there was no incentive to lie.

They’re incentivized to tell the experimenters what they want to hear so they can get paid and go home faster.

Having participated in plenty of these (as it was required for class credit, and they also paid reasonably well for an in-between classes hour type thing to go do), the 'researchers' can also be completely obnoxious. One study I was involved in had me listen to some rant about how women do better on a math exam I was about to take, being left in a room for about 10 minutes alone, and then being given the exam - on pink paper. It was generic algebra 2 / SAT level test.

After the exam the researchers just endlessly hounded me from a hundred different angles trying to get me to express doubt or uncertainty in how I performed on it. If I just wanted my $20 and credit, it would have been far easier to just give them what they wanted. But I've been ever the contrarian. They also said they'd email me my results in 8 weeks. They did not. I've always wondered if I ended up getting culled from their 'study' as an 'outlier.'

Re: People can be convinced they committed a crime that never happened (2015)

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Except in this case for the follow up interviews there was no incentive to lie.

They’re incentivized to tell the experimenters what they want to hear so they can get paid and go home faster.

In most psychological experiments, volunteers are told it will take an hour/an afternoon/whatever at the time they sign up to participate. The notion that all of them actually want to cut corners and just obtain the cash in return for the bare minimum of time and effort is an assumption about people in general, not a fact.
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