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Re: RIF developer counters Reddit CEO’s claims

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Post by timmytokyo »

fnimick wrote: post #22
u10 wrote: post #4

Barring all of the arguments for or against why reddit is doing what it is doing, why does spez keep lying? Like he must realize that emails don't disappear and phone calls can be recorded?

Don't forget that Steve Huffman legitimately expects all of society to collapse and makes plans to survive it, including getting as much money and as many resources as possible. (The part where he helps to bring it about doesn't seem to register). https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/01/30/doomsday-prep-...

"I also have this somewhat egotistical view that I’m a pretty good leader. I will probably be in charge, or at least not a slave, when push comes to shove."

So much of what reddit is going through right now makes much more sense.

Re: RIF developer counters Reddit CEO’s claims

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Post by tnecniv »

motoxpro wrote: post #8
u10 wrote: post #4

Barring all of the arguments for or against why reddit is doing what it is doing, why does spez keep lying? Like he must realize that emails don't disappear and phone calls can be recorded?

Right? He seems like a child. Of all people you would think the Reddit CEO would know that once seeming is on the internet it never disappears.

I might be optimistic but I can’t see Huffman surviving this. If you’re on the board, do you want this clown as your CEO? Sure, maybe they back the API changes killing the apps, but he’s come across as a fall guy at best and grossly incompetent at worst.

Re: RIF developer counters Reddit CEO’s claims

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Post by Llamamoe »

pityJuke wrote: post #7

> Shu also tells me that RIF was paying a “sizable revenue share” to Reddit beginning in 2012, which was during Yishan Wong’s tenure as CEO. Shu says he says initiated the talks with Reddit to create the agreement, which allowed for the licensed use of Reddit’s trademarks. (At the time, the app was called “reddit is fun.”) Shu says Reddit terminated the agreement in 2016 — which was the year after Huffman took over a…

The last few years are starting to feel like genuine "late stage capitalism", with corporations realising they can just lie, manipulate, and outright work against their customers with impunity if squeezes one more cent on the dollar.

Once you're big enough, without a coordinated media campaign the lashback and outrage rarely reach the critical mass it takes to make harmful decisions unprofitable.

Re: RIF developer counters Reddit CEO’s claims

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Post by chii »

courseofaction wrote: post #3

If 20m is paid, they'll double it next year. Reddit is just a landlord raising rents to unaffordable rates rather than evicting tenants. And they don't produce or moderate content. Rent-seeking middlemen. Fediverse socials are very nice once they're up and running, we need better default settings and easier inter-instance interaction for less technical users, but I'm optimistic they're a vast improvement on a central…

> And they don't produce or moderate content. Rent-seeking middlemen.

But they do pay for the physical infrastructure required to run reddit. I would consider that as part of production of the "content", even tho it's indirect.

Re: RIF developer counters Reddit CEO’s claims

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Post by chii »

willhoyle wrote: post #53
twobitshifter wrote: post #49

Can RIF and Apollo stand up a clone of reddit in reasonable time and point their clients that way?

I’ve seen this suggested elsewhere but without content I don’t see this working out.

The clone could use the slurped up reddit content from the various archive efforts prior. Then the clone could encourage, thru these third party apps, users to submit new content to itself, rather than to reddit.

Re: RIF developer counters Reddit CEO’s claims

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Post by lostlogin »

Llamamoe wrote: post #54
pityJuke wrote: post #7

> Shu also tells me that RIF was paying a “sizable revenue share” to Reddit beginning in 2012, which was during Yishan Wong’s tenure as CEO. Shu says he says initiated the talks with Reddit to create the agreement, which allowed for the licensed use of Reddit’s trademarks. (At the time, the app was called “reddit is fun.”) Shu says Reddit terminated the agreement in 2016 — which was the year after Huffman took over a…

The last few years are starting to feel like genuine "late stage capitalism", with corporations realising they can just lie, manipulate, and outright work against their customers with impunity if squeezes one more cent on the dollar. Once you're big enough, without a coordinated media campaign the lashback and outrage rarely reach the critical mass it takes to make harmful decisions unprofitable.

> outright work against their customers with impunity if squeezes one more cent on the dollar.

If you apply this logic to Reddit, have they added value, or lost it? It’s hard to see how this fiasco has been of benefit to them.

Re: RIF developer counters Reddit CEO’s claims

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Post by ummonk »

chii wrote: post #55
courseofaction wrote: post #3

If 20m is paid, they'll double it next year. Reddit is just a landlord raising rents to unaffordable rates rather than evicting tenants. And they don't produce or moderate content. Rent-seeking middlemen. Fediverse socials are very nice once they're up and running, we need better default settings and easier inter-instance interaction for less technical users, but I'm optimistic they're a vast improvement on a central…

> And they don't produce or moderate content. Rent-seeking middlemen. But they do pay for the physical infrastructure required to run reddit. I would consider that as part of production of the "content", even tho it's indirect.

The prices they're charging for API access are wildly disproportionate to the cost of the physical infrastructure required to run the services.

Re: RIF developer counters Reddit CEO’s claims

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Post by chii »

ummonk wrote: post #58
chii wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> And they don't produce or moderate content. Rent-seeking middlemen. But they do pay for the physical infrastructure required to run reddit. I would consider that as part of production of the "content", even tho it's indirect.

The prices they're charging for API access are wildly disproportionate to the cost of the physical infrastructure required to run the services.

oh i'm sure they are charging up the wazoo, because they aim to make a profit off it, rather than to just sustain operations.

I'm just refuting the fact that they're merely middlemen and is charging rent for no value delivered.

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