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Re: Miraheze to shut down

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I wish mediawiki was more loved. It is an amazingly effective and intuitive piece of software. But maintaining, upgrading and managing it and the various extensions is a pain.

I suspect a rethink and rewrite could substantially reduce the cost of running such wili farms but is unlikely to ever happen.

Re: Miraheze to shut down

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Worse yet: Fandom has a policy of not deleting inactive wikis, even if the community has deliberately abandoned them to move elsewhere, and will treat any attempt to advertise that another wiki has been created as vandalism and will block users (even wiki admins!) who attempt to do so. This means that, if a community does decide to move their wiki off of Fandom, they have an uphill battle to "beat" their old wiki in…

Even worse, Google actively penalises wikis that choose to fork from Fandom.

They penalise duplicate content because 999 out of 1000 times it's spam. It's a bit of an issue forking any site, and one reason you might be better off just starting over.

Re: Miraheze to shut down

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Worse yet: Fandom has a policy of not deleting inactive wikis, even if the community has deliberately abandoned them to move elsewhere, and will treat any attempt to advertise that another wiki has been created as vandalism and will block users (even wiki admins!) who attempt to do so. This means that, if a community does decide to move their wiki off of Fandom, they have an uphill battle to "beat" their old wiki in…

Even worse, Google actively penalises wikis that choose to fork from Fandom.

The algorithm penalizes copies of content that are newer than the original, which punishes spam and forks alike.

Re: Miraheze to shut down

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This is the first time I'm hearing about this platform. Should I have been aware of it before?

They are a free wiki host run by a UK non-profit, pretty much the only free wiki host that has no ads whatsoever and also offers a reasonable selection of Mediawiki extensions. There are thousands, but some examples of popular wikis hosted on Miraheze: - NATO Cyberlaw Toolkit - https://cyberlaw.ccdcoe.org/wiki/Main_Page (Yes, an intergovernmental military alliance with infinite money is using a free wiki host) - Loat…

Such great wikis. And funny but true characterization... "with infinite money"

I'm broke but would give these the Wikis a new home if I had money.

Re: Miraheze to shut down

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I had figured it was not exactly technical burnout in running Mediawiki installs but regulatory burnout in following Euro GDPR/cookie banner/bullshit-of-the-now requirements. Some of them are easy but the rest phase in once you reach a certain scale of users (which it sounds like they probably have).

It clearly says technical burnout. Why do you have to blame GDPR? If anything it was the best thing to happen to the open internet

Yeah, speaking as a European tech lead; GDPR was a pain in the butt a few years ago when it was introduced - and all client websites had to be retroactively fitted with cookie systems, routines had to be implemented, stuff had to be learned, etc.

Once sites are planned with it in mind from the get go it's really no big deal, and huge for the end user.

Re: Miraheze to shut down

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> ...long term sustainability problems, financial situation... Weird, because https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Finance says they have more money right now than they had at the start of the year and twice as much as they had the same time last year. > Owen and Alexander are fully committed to seeing the sustained growth of Miraheze > Compared to where we were before 2019, Miraheze is in a much better financial position,…

My impression from reading their Discord server yesterday is this: - Volunteers from Miraheze planned to create a paid wiki hosting service to supplement Miraheze called WikiForge - Several of those volunteers left Miraheze to start a free wiki host called WikiTide - The remaining volunteers were burnt out already and decided to call it quits - There are some talks of handing off Miraheze to another group of voluntee…

Here's something of a summary, with links, of the more admin-drama angle: https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/User_talk:Raidarr#c-Dmehus-20...

Particularly:

> earlier today Owen had assigned himself checkuser and suppressor rights for "auditing use of permissions" and left Raidarr a talk page message regarding an important email; sometime after that, Raidarr removed all advanced user rights from every wiki in which he held them before removing his local Steward group and making the log summary you're inquiring about. I assume it was the email or maybe a resulting conversation that caused Raidarr to resign; however, this is just speculation

And this specific Discord conversation: https://discord.com/channels/407504499280707585/615786602454...

Which help in translating these otherwise cryptic board minutes: https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Board/Policies/20230607-Minut...

in which the dissolution is discussed as an alternative to training volunteers on legal compliance with the UK Data Protection Act:

> OB clarified both proposals are mandatory under Information Commissioner’s Office advice – we need to ensure we train people appropriate and audit their access and usage of personal information inline with Data Protection Act 2018.

> TH raised a counter proposal of dissolution of the company.

Re: Miraheze to shut down

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Doesn't look like anything special, just free mediawiki hosting, powered by donations

media wiki's a particularly complicated thing to host and I don't think there's anything else quite like MiraHeze currently. It's been used by everything from video game wikis to casual conlangers to even some state governments so I'd say it's a pretty big deal

> media wiki's a particularly complicated thing to host

Is it, though? Like it's a directory of PHP and a MySql database.

Re: Miraheze to shut down

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Doesn't look like anything special, just free mediawiki hosting, powered by donations

media wiki's a particularly complicated thing to host and I don't think there's anything else quite like MiraHeze currently. It's been used by everything from video game wikis to casual conlangers to even some state governments so I'd say it's a pretty big deal

That's true only because mediawiki is designed for the infrastructure of a previous era, and massively overengineered for these kinds of use cases. Use any of the many free solutions for hosting a free site now. Use tiddlywiki in a single file for 99%+ of wikis. Or any linked markdown system. Making sites for small communities is easier than ever but harder to discover due to noise. That doesn't make mediawiki good.

Re: Miraheze to shut down

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Was doing some reverse engineering recently and wanted a quick wiki to put stuff on in case others wanted to join in and contribute findings about the same product. Looked around and Miraheze seemed to be the only real option for free wiki hosting (I tried another one first, don't remember what it was called, but it was bad). Experience was pretty good adding the pages but then I went back 6 months later to try and c…

Confusing - what about the free github and gitlab wikis? And all the free wiki hosts? And tiddlywiki which has been freely hosted tons of places for 20 years or so?
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