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Reddit CEO Says Mods Too Powerful, Plans to Weaken After Blackout

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Re: Reddit CEO Says Mods Too Powerful, Plans to Weaken After Blackout

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Post by isaacremuant »

pokstad wrote: post #359
isaacremuant wrote: post #343

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm sorry. Do you think HN is unmoderated? Unless you're in a very free speech leaning place, which are unfortunately and increasingly harder to find, every forum is modded and the mods hold varying degrees of influence. And the site wide admins, when there's such a thing, hold more.

HN isn’t Reddit. I like HN moderation. I come here for the more niche HN discussions. Reddit is much larger than HN and attracts people from a very wide spectrum. A handful of moderators don’t always do the best job at that scale. Especially for larger subreddits.

I don't think I understand how it relates to your initial point, then. The one about imperfect mods and topics.

Re: Reddit CEO Says Mods Too Powerful, Plans to Weaken After Blackout

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Post by cocojumbo123 »

arbitrage wrote: post #164
cocojumbo123 wrote: post #154

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> Then they will find new ones. Looks easier than it actually is. Here's how a mod routine looks like: check modqueue (that's the place where all reports come). Some are fake because one user has some beef with another, some trolls, some spam, some user insulting each-other. you work through the queue, by the time you are done users who were banned are already complaining on modmail, you take your time to read all co…

Reddit came down hard on threatening mods the other year. Did you forget, or are you omitting that on purpose to strengthen your argument? If you're a mod, and get threatened, ban the user. It's simple. Move on with your life. 90% of your problems in Reddit are caused by 10% of the people. Get rid of the trouble makers and your job is a cakewalk. Is this really that difficult to reason through?

> If you're a mod, and get threatened, ban the user.

threats always come after the ban and is trivial to create a new account and continue the threats. the complaints about mod harrassment are as old as reddit but spez always promissed solutions and never delivered. heck, my sub had its mod discussion archive leaked - on reddit!, we reported it to admins repatedly and they did a big nothing.

one of my mod colleagues got doxxed and had a banned user ringing at his very physical door demanding "to discuss the issue", how would you feel about it ?

edit: and this is a boring country sub, I can't even imagine what modding a political sub is like.

Re: Reddit CEO Says Mods Too Powerful, Plans to Weaken After Blackout

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Post by mardifoufs »

isaacremuant wrote: post #161
llm_nerd wrote: post #41

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It's a pretty common sentiment that opinions that differ from our own must be corrupt, bought, sock-puppets, etc. People on virtually every side of any issue feel this way because it's comforting to imagine that our own opinion is the only authentic one. Loads of reddit users are annoyed by the blackout thing and find the arguments for it unconvincing. I mean personally I think all of the blackout people should just…

> Loads of reddit users are annoyed by the blackout thing and find the arguments for it unconvincing. I mean personally I think all of the blackout people should just leave Reddit. Delete your accounts, delete your comments, resign as mods. Let the rest of reddit just move on. You're not entitled to the communities or their content. The communities themselves are what make the sub. The same happens when users migrate…

The only people who act entitled to the communities and think they own them when they don't are the mods here. In what twisted way can you argue that a user of a community not wanting some power tripping mods to close down everything, acting entitled?

Re: Reddit CEO Says Mods Too Powerful, Plans to Weaken After Blackout

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Post by mardifoufs »

hawk_ wrote: post #7
diogenescynic wrote: post #4

Good riddance. The moderators are the worst part of Reddit. Just pay someone to do their job.

:-) Good luck finding a qualified paid army of mods doing this at reddit scale. Even if they manage to find, do they have the money?

Qualified? Is this a joke?

Most of them are absolute losers. Almost every single powermod that is open about their real life identity turns out to fit exactly into the "usual suspect" mold (middle aged, usually white, usually nerdy and terminally online). There are screenshots of mods that moderate the most on Reddit begging and crying to not lose their moderator position. Here's a direct quote from one of the most powerful mod on Reddit on hearing they lost mod powers on a single sub:

"I have no job, I dont meet people, have no money.I only have reddit. Please dont take reddit from me"

Sure sound like a qualified, well adjusted moderating staff overall.

Re: Reddit CEO Says Mods Too Powerful, Plans to Weaken After Blackout

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Post by flutas »

Zetice wrote: post #405
flutas wrote: post #403

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So according to you it’s paranoia to assume it’s impacting anything? I never claimed you were a bot or LLM or anything of the nature, I also never claimed it was everyone but that clearly SOMEONE is doing it and it’s blatantly obvious. Stop making strawmen to attack. I pointed out patterns that people were seeing and your response is “but it doesn’t impact anything.” Maybe you should check your biases first before th…

> So according to you it’s paranoia to assume it’s impacting anything? Why are you only selectively recalling what I wrote, despite the fact that what I wrote is literally inches above this quote? And my opinion is irrelevant here, what you're claiming is not meaningful. It's like the "voter fraud" debates. Could anyone credibly say there's literally zero voter fraud ever? No. But one can say with certainty that vote…

> Why are you only selectively recalling what I wrote, despite the fact that what I wrote is literally inches above this quote?

Because again, those are your strawman attack points. I never claimed it was Reddit, nor did I claim it was widespread. I was simply presenting evidence that it was happening.

Maybe reread my post which is literally inches above your comment? Hmm?

Again, glass houses.

Re: Reddit CEO Says Mods Too Powerful, Plans to Weaken After Blackout

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Post by HappMacDonald »

llm_nerd wrote: post #41
AnotherGoodName wrote: post #8

Ha. There were some weird posts from new users in subreddits I frequent. 'we need to rise up against the mods the blackout is an outrage!' It was met with unanimous wtf is wrong with you, go outside. I get the feeling spez is creating new accounts and posting as them again.

It's a pretty common sentiment that opinions that differ from our own must be corrupt, bought, sock-puppets, etc. People on virtually every side of any issue feel this way because it's comforting to imagine that our own opinion is the only authentic one. Loads of reddit users are annoyed by the blackout thing and find the arguments for it unconvincing. I mean personally I think all of the blackout people should just…

Lol don't forget "liquidate all of your assets to donate directly to Reddit and immediately sign up as unpaid interns, and consult with your betters/superiors how to vote in all upcoming elections".

I don't even know what to say, some folk just don't know how to capitalism right.

Re: Reddit CEO Says Mods Too Powerful, Plans to Weaken After Blackout

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Post by LightHugger »

bhaak wrote: post #401
LightHugger wrote: post #373

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your suggestion isn't a problem, you can have defaults based on popularity and then the defaults get controlled by what most of the users who do configure their stuff choose. Don't make the mistake of thinking a mod is above people and needs to tell users what they are allowed to see. I included in my suggestion that you can see what gets moderated, obviously. Any website with non-public moderation logs tends towards…

> Don't make the mistake of thinking a mod is above people and needs to tell users what they are allowed to see. They are not above people but they are the ones curating the content in the subreddit. If people don't like that, they can vote with their feet and leave. I've seen this play out several times. Communities leaving and building new subreddits, sometimes overtaking the previous one, sometimes not. > I includ…

I'm not sure what you're talking about. Am i replying to an AI? I clearly addressed these things, i did not suggest democratic votes, i had a very specific suggestion that solves all the problems you're talking about.

Re: Reddit CEO Says Mods Too Powerful, Plans to Weaken After Blackout

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Post by Zetice »

flutas wrote: post #416
Zetice wrote: post #405

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> So according to you it’s paranoia to assume it’s impacting anything? Why are you only selectively recalling what I wrote, despite the fact that what I wrote is literally inches above this quote? And my opinion is irrelevant here, what you're claiming is not meaningful. It's like the "voter fraud" debates. Could anyone credibly say there's literally zero voter fraud ever? No. But one can say with certainty that vote…

> Why are you only selectively recalling what I wrote, despite the fact that what I wrote is literally inches above this quote? Because again, those are your strawman attack points. I never claimed it was Reddit, nor did I claim it was widespread. I was simply presenting evidence that it was happening. Maybe reread my post which is literally inches above your comment? Hmm? Again, glass houses.

Nobody is attacking you... hey is everything alright?

Re: Reddit CEO Says Mods Too Powerful, Plans to Weaken After Blackout

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Post by flutas »

Zetice wrote: post #419
flutas wrote: post #416

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Why are you only selectively recalling what I wrote, despite the fact that what I wrote is literally inches above this quote? Because again, those are your strawman attack points. I never claimed it was Reddit, nor did I claim it was widespread. I was simply presenting evidence that it was happening. Maybe reread my post which is literally inches above your comment? Hmm? Again, glass houses.

Nobody is attacking you... hey is everything alright?

Why are you only selectively recalling what I wrote, despite the fact that what I wrote is literally inches above this quote?

Again, reading comprehension. I never claimed you were attacking me. I said you built a strawman to attack.

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