Anyone have an concerns about the ethics of this? On one had 6 net is better than 0, on the other hand it is fairly predatory.
Mechanical Turk Stations for the Urban Poor
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#32This is a great idea. It would really work if it supplements the welfare checks; it would get people into the mindset of working. Let me explain. Right now, if you're a bum, you make a decent amount of money panhandling + scamming the government ("disability", etc.); let's call this "freeloading". The problem is: the amount of money you can make freeloading is close to minimum wage (if you include everything). So the…
You know that there are loads of actual poor disabled people? Not everyone on social welfare is a leech on society. Have some compassion.
Re: Mechanical Turk Stations for the Urban Poor
#33This is a great idea. It would really work if it supplements the welfare checks; it would get people into the mindset of working. Let me explain. Right now, if you're a bum, you make a decent amount of money panhandling + scamming the government ("disability", etc.); let's call this "freeloading". The problem is: the amount of money you can make freeloading is close to minimum wage (if you include everything). So the…
How about work as the incentive?
We have crappy parks and yet we give money to folks who don't work. That shouldn't be.
And don't give me "they can't afford day care". For every group of four parents on aid, one does day care for the other three while they work.
Crappy jobs are the best incentive.
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#34I thought the USA had "micro-lending", but they were called "payday loans"?
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#35Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's not as simple as that. It's not one poor guy looking a video feed or judging ads. It would be sophisticated system that pools together many workers in ways to get quality. So, for example, if the factory robot knocks something over, and there are 10 different people watching a few frames of video, it's pretty likely they'd spot the mistake. Same goes for ad critiques. You wouldn't ask "is this a good ad". You'd…
> Same goes for ad critiques. You wouldn't ask "is this a good ad". You'd split it up. "Is this actor better wearing a blue shirt than a red shirt" - ask 10 people. But you're still asking the "wrong" people. And you're asking, instead of observing the actual behaviour.
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#36Earlier quoted context omitted.
$20 / hour is a nice thought, but unfortunately what that would do is create massive unemployment and much larger welfare abuse. There's a fine line on just how high you can set a minimum wage (in relation to the economy in question) before you give too much incentive to companies to automate that labor, shrink their business slightly, or offload the costs to the consumer with price increases (net negative result). G…
I understand what you're saying; but the problem here is that 1 state raised the minimum wage. Naturally, jobs will flow to the neighboring states. But what if the Federal minimum wage was raised? You do understand the point I'm trying to make: that there should be _some_ _significant_ economic incentive for people to get off welfare and on to work! Right now the incentive is minimal at best. So how do you create the…
A third, mostly unexplored option, is to reduce the status/luxuries of people accepting welfare.
I.e., instead of receiving housing vouchers and money to buy food/clothing, they could receive dormitory rooms (no TV or XBox), healthy dormitory meals and government issued grey jumpsuits.
Under such a system, there would be a significant incentive to get a job and no one would go hungry.
Re: Mechanical Turk Stations for the Urban Poor
#37This is a great idea. It would really work if it supplements the welfare checks; it would get people into the mindset of working. Let me explain. Right now, if you're a bum, you make a decent amount of money panhandling + scamming the government ("disability", etc.); let's call this "freeloading". The problem is: the amount of money you can make freeloading is close to minimum wage (if you include everything). So the…
scamming the government ("disability", etc.) You know that there are loads of actual poor disabled people? Not everyone on social welfare is a leech on society. Have some compassion.
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#38http://hci.berkeley.edu/cs260-fall10/images/b/ba/FinalPaper-...
Re: Mechanical Turk Stations for the Urban Poor
#39What this article is effectively advocating, but can't or won't say outright, is that America needs the ability to pay people less than the minimum wage. Someone working all day at mechanical turk, is likely to fall below the federal minimum wage rate in terms of what they're pulling down per hour. Is it ok for companies to utilize mass scale labor at what becomes in reality a sub minimum wage rate? Particularly if m…
It would be no different than if a thousand companies banded together to source labor below minimum wage by paying per task, and sharing that labor around rather than employing each laborer in a "job" (eg in a metro area with high population density). Those companies would be paying for net full time labor, while evading the minimum wage responsibility. This is not the sort of disruption we want in the marketplace. L…
Also, the possibility for automation is then great as well. Companies could offer assistive devices and software to the freelance shelf stackers for increasing their productivity, all they way to full blown robots.
Can also apply this to other tasks such as crowdsourced burger flippers and crowdsourced cleaners.
There's a lot of opportunity in automation of service businesses such as retailer and restaurants, but it seems like the industry does not take much interest in applying robotics to the task. This crowdsourcing system would be a way for nimbler companies to introduce more technology into the system without going through the management.
Re: Mechanical Turk Stations for the Urban Poor
#40This is a great idea. It would really work if it supplements the welfare checks; it would get people into the mindset of working. Let me explain. Right now, if you're a bum, you make a decent amount of money panhandling + scamming the government ("disability", etc.); let's call this "freeloading". The problem is: the amount of money you can make freeloading is close to minimum wage (if you include everything). So the…
scamming the government ("disability", etc.) You know that there are loads of actual poor disabled people? Not everyone on social welfare is a leech on society. Have some compassion.