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European Union votes to bring back replaceable phone batteries

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Re: European Union votes to bring back replaceable phone batteries

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Is it useful to protect an $800 device from being ruined by accidentally dunking it in a pool, lake, toilet? Yes.

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Or taking pictures of my nephews in the pool. Your blatant misogyny around a phone battery is pathetic.

Re: European Union votes to bring back replaceable phone batteries

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The problem is not really the battery anymore, it's the software mainly. It's all closed source and is often deprecated before the hardware is dead. Then the manufacturer makes it hard to unlock bootloaders; keeps drivers closed source and effectively bricks the device. For recurring sales are the backbone of modern economy so we must force obsolescence. Why would you want to replace a battery in a useless device? Pl…

Actually the EU RF, product liability and cyber security regulations rather point into a direction that disallows use of aftermarket firmware that can delay onsolecense and encourages lockdown. Instead of overregulation we need create an economic system that encourages sustainable use of resources. The EU just does what they can do best: regulate

> we need create an economic system that encourages sustainable use of resources

Which would require regulation, or you have way too much faith in humanity. Regulation isn't bad, just dumb regulations.

Re: European Union votes to bring back replaceable phone batteries

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> I don't think replaceable batteries or USB-C requirements restrict the industries ability to move forward. These ultra thin foldable phones probably couldn’t exist with removable batteries. The thinness required to make it comfortable to use would be hard and so would the structural integrity with a removable backplate. It would absolutely restrict durability since it’d make waterproof and dustproofing way more cha…

> Removable backs would limit wireless charging hardware like apples MagSafe (which is great!). I had a phone with a removable back and wireless charging back in 2012. This isn't rocket science.

Same. Was the Samsung Galaxy S3 (which in 2012 had wireless charging and a removable back) not sufficiently thin? It's less than a millimeter thicker than the current Galaxy S23, and I'm not sure that the <1mm of difference in the S23 comes from having a non-removable back (as opposed to the 11 years of advancements in other technologies.)

Re: European Union votes to bring back replaceable phone batteries

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apple support is an exception. and that's still half the cost of a good used iphone xs. if you'd just bought new old stock, you'd be ahead. i'm currently running a pixel 4, and a battery swap would cost more than i spent on the phone.

Used iPhone XSs are selling for <2/3 the price of new old stock (NOS). Why did you shift from one item to the other in the middle of your comment?

at the same price, i'd rather have new old stock than one that's been through god-knows-what plus open heart surgery.

not sure where you're getting your prices, but it doesn't matter. the fact that this is even a point of contention indicates that swappable batteries would make a difference.

Re: European Union votes to bring back replaceable phone batteries

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Yes, it is a needed feature in humid environments.

Wait, are you saying that till few years ago non-waterproof phones broke more or something? Because that never happened.

Phones cameras frequently were rendered useless before this, when humidity would seep in and condensation would form in the lense.

Re: European Union votes to bring back replaceable phone batteries

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> I'd much rather be able to swap a charged battery for the drained one in my phone especially in circumstances when I'm in a foreign country and dependent on my phone I don’t deny that this is a valid use case for you, but I’ve absolutely never been in this position. I carry around a battery phone charger in situations where I’d depend on my phone. If you squint, yes that’s pretty similar, but the big difference is…

Carrying around bulky power banks or worse, chargers to then tie you to sit close to an outlet and wait for the battery to charge, is not entirely ideal when you're on the go, foreign or domestic. It's also less anxiety-inducing to not have to worry about where will I get my next charge and how long will it interrupt my plans for.

When battery life is a concern, I carry around a small flashlight and a (very) short USB cable. The flashlight can both receive charge (from the wall) and send charge (to the phone) through its USB port.

Lots of high-end flashlights do this. Mine isn't much larger than the 21700 cell it contains. If you want to go smaller you can get a 1850-based flashlight and still almost double the capacity of your phone.

Plus, it's a flashlight.

Re: European Union votes to bring back replaceable phone batteries

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I think the policies are pretty well informed. I do think USB-C was a huge problem, and I don't think it was coming in a few years. I'm not skeptical of replaceable batteries. I think the policy that forces them to be removable on top of working with 3rd party manufacturers is a good idea. I don't think replaceable batteries or USB-C requirements restrict the industries ability to move forward. Edit: You can continue…

> I don't think replaceable batteries or USB-C requirements restrict the industries ability to move forward. These ultra thin foldable phones probably couldn’t exist with removable batteries. The thinness required to make it comfortable to use would be hard and so would the structural integrity with a removable backplate. It would absolutely restrict durability since it’d make waterproof and dustproofing way more cha…

As long as we are sharing random opinions - my Samsung s2 and s5 were smaller thinner lighter than modern phones, with 3.5mm and replaceable battery and microsd card. And also had gps and wifi and phone. And were ip67 rated.

Modern phones are going for sexy, that's all. They are large in every dimension but Impractically thin even though everybody adds another 3mm - 6mm of case anyway because they're sleek to the point of unusable. I particularly love when we buy a sexy sleek thin phone and then put an otterbox on it :-)

Re: European Union votes to bring back replaceable phone batteries

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The problem is not really the battery anymore, it's the software mainly. It's all closed source and is often deprecated before the hardware is dead. Then the manufacturer makes it hard to unlock bootloaders; keeps drivers closed source and effectively bricks the device. For recurring sales are the backbone of modern economy so we must force obsolescence. Why would you want to replace a battery in a useless device? Pl…

Battery in my last device became too weak long before device was useless. Device was perfectly fine, just that battery did not hold long anymore.

I'm still running a pixel 2 which is almost 6 years old now. I had to have the battery replaced 5 years in. Although it's not the most practical you don't have to replace the full device. Manufacturers would prefer you do.

Re: European Union votes to bring back replaceable phone batteries

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The tradeoff for sealed batteries was significantly improved ingress protection, larger charge capacity, and lighter weight. The market spoke and nobody seems to really care that much about user replaceable batteries except a vocal minority.

That and the fact that with phone trade-in programs from manufacturers, batteries are much less likely to be disposed of inappropriately.

Re: European Union votes to bring back replaceable phone batteries

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I think the big question is how "easily" replaceable are the batteries. I doubt were going back to external, swappable batteries since those add extra bulk. And that isn't needed since batteries are much better and power banks and chargers are everywhere. What is needed is a way to easily replace the battery when it gets old. Now, need to take it to repair shop or take chances with DIY. It sounds like proposal includ…

> I'm worried cause I broke a previous phone doing the same repair.

Just let them ban glue in phones and they're done.

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