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Re: Reddit Threatens to Remove Moderators from Subreddits Continuing Blackouts

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Post by tmcdos »

germinalphrase wrote: post #432
joshvm wrote: post #401

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Reddit successfully centralised forums and made it convenient because you didn't need 20+ logins. The other half is link sharing/doom scrolling (the addictive stuff), which replaced Digg, Stumbleupon, etc. In the not-so-distant past if you wanted expert help and non-astroturfed suggestions (or even just memes), that's where you went. Those places still exist for a lot of fields and the experts still hang out (and oft…

I do frequent a handful of forums, and it appears many of them are powered by Xenforo. Maybe we need to hard sell Xenforo on a shared login model…

In my personal opinion, Xenforo has a much worse UI than the old phpBB, SMF and similar kind of forum software.

Re: Reddit Threatens to Remove Moderators from Subreddits Continuing Blackouts

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Post by moskie »

chrismcb wrote: post #485
moskie wrote: post #76

We (the internet community) made such a terrible mistake with social media. We formed connections and communities and friendships on sites like Facebook and Twitter and Reddit, but those companies need to make money, so those connections are only allowed to exist as long as they are part of a profitable system. How awful it is to reduce human connection to that. To think that I am only allowed to maintain certain soc…

No one is saying you are only allowed to maintain certain connections.. First of all, what you say is mostly true in the real world as well. I was in a bowling league for 20 years. I want friend with anyone but they were acquaintances. The bowling alley closed. I no longer see anyone. I could have taken the friendship outside the bowling alley... But you can also take your social media friendship outside that particu…

I understand your point, but I think an assumption that a lot of internet users have, and a fundamental pitch of the internet, is that the internet is the tool you use to _find_ people to bowl with in the first place.

Re: Reddit Threatens to Remove Moderators from Subreddits Continuing Blackouts

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Post by squintychino »

capableweb wrote: post #199

One thing I don't quite understand is how the CEO first claims that only 3% of the user base is using 3rd party apps, and then later claims that "And the opportunity cost of not having those users (3rd part app users) on our platform, on our advertising platform, is really significant" (from https://www.npr.org/2023/06/15/1182457366/reddit-ceo-steve-h... ) Is that 3% of the user base really having such a big impact s…

> One thing I don't quite understand is how the CEO first claims that only 3% of the user base is using 3rd party apps, and then later claims that "And the opportunity cost of not having those users (3rd part app users) on our platform, on our advertising platform, is really significant"

People lie. It's really that simple. They give no data to back up their statistics, and we're expected to believe it as truth since they are in a position of power.

Re: Reddit Threatens to Remove Moderators from Subreddits Continuing Blackouts

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Post by bbor »

midoridensha wrote: post #559
bbor wrote: post #515

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is my opinion that viewing oneself as a special light in a world of vapid morons leads to a sad, angry life. Just thought I'd weigh in, one vapid moron to another :)

The world isn't completely full of vapid morons. There's plenty of intelligent people here, plus there's plenty of intelligent people on various Reddit subs, who are interested in intelligent discourse. There's plenty of popular media that isn't vapid and moronic: just look at Star Trek: it's been a cultural phenomenon for over a half-century and it's rather intellectual for a series aimed at the general public, yet…

I guess my point was less about relative population sizes and more about dismissing the humanity of others. What would einsteins life have been if he had grown up in an abusive, food-insecure household? What about yours (not to assume ofc). Life is hard, conditions are hard, people have subtle undiagnosed disabilities all the time, and I just bristle at dismissing them as more-or-less worthless

Re: Reddit Threatens to Remove Moderators from Subreddits Continuing Blackouts

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Post by P_I_Staker »

0xParlay wrote: post #299

Reddit clearly doesn't understand the product. When users join a sub it's because they like the content and tacitly approve of the moderation. All but new users are aware that subs are governed by mods. Installing a corporate-approved mod panel because a community isn't acting in Reddit Inc's financial best interest is to light the whole product on fire. What's the point of starting a new sub if it'll be repurposed a…

They understand, the issue is that in the long term, this is unlikely to harm the quality. Eventually, everyone will get used to the new world order. If reddit really hurts from the loss of "talent", it won't take too long to replace them.

Re: Reddit Threatens to Remove Moderators from Subreddits Continuing Blackouts

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Post by jasondozell »

capableweb wrote: post #199

One thing I don't quite understand is how the CEO first claims that only 3% of the user base is using 3rd party apps, and then later claims that "And the opportunity cost of not having those users (3rd part app users) on our platform, on our advertising platform, is really significant" (from https://www.npr.org/2023/06/15/1182457366/reddit-ceo-steve-h... ) Is that 3% of the user base really having such a big impact s…

I guess because future plans could be negated via 3rd party apps. Getting rid of them now will ensure future plans can be enacted without risk they'll be circumvented.

Re: Reddit Threatens to Remove Moderators from Subreddits Continuing Blackouts

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Post by margalabargala »

yanderekko wrote: post #419
concinds wrote: post #74

The dishonesty continues. > if they are no longer interested in moderating that community They're still interested. They're just protesting your policies. > [if] at least one mod [...] wants to keep the community going, we will respect their decisions and remove those who no longer want to moderate from the mod team. This one takes the cake. They're dangling a carrot: hey, any low-ranked mod interested in taking over…

>They're still interested. They're just protesting your policies. The implication is that prioritizing the latter at all points in time is incompatible with the former. Seems reasonable enough. What does it mean to be "interested in moderating" if the outcome is that you do no actual moderation? >And they're still insulting everyone's intelligence, as if a single mod reopening against strong subreddit consensus was s…

> The implication is that prioritizing the latter at all points in time is incompatible with the former.

The implication by Reddit is that prioritizing the latter at any point in time is incompatible with the former.

Important distinction/bit of nuance.

Re: Reddit Threatens to Remove Moderators from Subreddits Continuing Blackouts

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Post by jasondozell »

0xParlay wrote: post #299

Reddit clearly doesn't understand the product. When users join a sub it's because they like the content and tacitly approve of the moderation. All but new users are aware that subs are governed by mods. Installing a corporate-approved mod panel because a community isn't acting in Reddit Inc's financial best interest is to light the whole product on fire. What's the point of starting a new sub if it'll be repurposed a…

Reddit mods are often terrible and exploit their position of power.

A sub's popularity is invariably because it covers a topic that is popular outside of reddit and through whatever reason (often fortuitous or unrelated to current mod behaviour) that incarnation of it got the most users which lead to monopolisations.

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