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Illinois prohibits weapons, facial recognition on police drones

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Re: Illinois prohibits weapons, facial recognition on police drones

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Post by abeppu »

Can we get a federal bill with the same prohibitions? It would be absurd if the right to be free from fear of automated death from the skies is left to a patchwork of state and local restrictions.

Irresponsible arguments that I would totally not be surprised to hear to push in the opposite direction:

- If law enforcement doesn't have armed drones, we live in a world where only the criminals have armed drones.

- Sometimes law enforcement must be able to use deadly force. Isn't it better if in those situations, officers aren't also putting their lives at risk?

- Currently, when law enforcement uses deadly force, one of the strongest defenses is that in the moment, an officer felt that their own life was at risk. A drone operator has no such fear and therefore no bias towards using weapons prematurely.

Re: Illinois prohibits weapons, facial recognition on police drones

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Post by dragonwriter »

starlevel003 wrote: post #47
PedroBatista wrote: post #41

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> This "defund de police" bs has been one of the most damaging rhetoric's in American cities. People are being victimized left and right, robberies, rapes, gang violence, etc because some people know there are little to no consequences. Police budgets haven't actually been defunded, and yet this still happens.

Yeah, the people saying “defund the police” have generally had near-zero success in affecting policy, with policy makers at all levels rejecting their advocacy and increasing police budgets, often at the expense of other local services and functions.

If bad things are happening in crime, and it is an indictment of current policy, it is more defensibly an indictment of the reaction against “defund the police” than of “defund the police”.

Re: Illinois prohibits weapons, facial recognition on police drones

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Post by monksy »

remyp wrote: post #16

As an Illinois resident, voter, and taxpayer, I'm pleased by this. I don't think I've never been _happy_ with Illinois politicians, but this current set is meaningfully productive enough for me to consider plausible the idea of being happy with my government.

The state reps seem to be better.

But our federal senators are pretty awful tankies. (Durban and Duckworth.. they'll full on send you a tone death letter about why encryption is awful after you send them your concerns)

Re: Illinois prohibits weapons, facial recognition on police drones

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Post by testplzignore »

> This Act does not prohibit the use of a drone by a law enforcement agency [...] to forestall [...] the destruction of evidence

So, essentially nothing is prohibited. "Destruction of evidence" can be flushing drugs down the toilet or throwing them out a car window. The war on drugs greatly increases how many "crimes" are being committed at any given time and what is considered evidence of those crimes.

Re: Illinois prohibits weapons, facial recognition on police drones

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Post by actionfromafar »

oh_sigh wrote: post #36
mulmen wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If I am flagged by facial recognition software my rights have already been violated. This is a bad idea even before we consider that LEO is composed of fallible human beings with an established history of abusing the information systems they already possess.

What right of yours was violated if you were flagged by facial recognition?

Rights afforded by Illinois law, I suppose.

Re: Illinois prohibits weapons, facial recognition on police drones

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Post by paws »

Slightly OT: I noticed Colorado, Connecticut, New Mexico, and New York City either ended or limited qualified immunity in recent years. (In other states similar efforts faltered, apparently thanks to police unions and politicians in their pocket [0])

Via the article:

> Fifteen months after the Colorado bill was signed into law, there is so far little evidence to support any widespread negative effects on police retention or recruitment.

Now that it's been more time I've been curious to measure how curtailing QI has affected 1) police misconduct 2) police hiring and 3) insurance rates (e.g. indemnity) municipalities/townships/states pay.

If anyone has insight on ways to measure, places to find data, etc would be appreciated.

Meanwhile for those curious about Chicago police misconduct, TIL about [1]

[0] https://archive.ph/evcEG

[1] https://cpdp.co

Re: Illinois prohibits weapons, facial recognition on police drones

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Post by chasd00 »

krisoft wrote: post #25
mcbutterbunz wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Now they can't carry weapons. Is this accurate? I haven’t read the full text of the law but I thought it meant no weaponized drones.

> I thought it meant no weaponized drones. That is correct. It says this: " Sec. 18. Use of weapons. A law enforcement agency operating a drone under this Act is prohibited from equipping or using on a drone any firearm, weaponized laser, kinetic impact projectile, chemical agent or irritant, or any other lethal or non-lethal weapon."

someone was probably floating the idea of dropping tear gas down a chimney using a drone and they wanted to nip it in the bud.

Re: Illinois prohibits weapons, facial recognition on police drones

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Post by sangnoir »

RajT88 wrote: post #44
mulmen wrote: post #38

Drone means flying drones here. What about land based robots? Can they still put a shotgun on one of those to blow away a suspicious package? Can they still use a robot to breach a door? Can they use facial recognition software on footage recovered from a land based drone?

It's a good point. I would hope there's an exemption for bomb disposal robots, because functionally there's not that much difference between these and (basically) Killbotz: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSkYxW5Ii28

There shouldn't be an exemption on the equipment, but prohibition of using anything as a killbot. Dallas police used a bomb-disposal robot to remotely deliver a bomb to kill a suspect some years back.

https://www.texastribune.org/2016/07/08/use-robot-kill-dalla...

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