I mean I would actually agree with a little diplomacy, but I get the feeling as soon as this is implemented there'll suddenly be a bunch of brand new accounts spawned to vote out the moderators of those communities who are protesting right now...
Reddit CEO Says Mods Too Powerful, Plans to Weaken After Blackout
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Re: Reddit CEO Says Mods Too Powerful, Plans to Weaken After Blackout
#362Earlier quoted context omitted.
There is always going to be people that want to be mods
And you think for those people this doesn't hold true? > Most of them are doing it because they get off on having a tiny bit of power. Are you willfully ignoring this point, or do you really think that magically it will work out?
You can't do anything about that.
Most of them will will be in it for themselves but when they start getting ideas that they own the place (like the current ones think) you cull them
Re: Reddit CEO Says Mods Too Powerful, Plans to Weaken After Blackout
#363Well, that's accurate and indeed a major problem. Subreddit moderators, like unfortunately usually moderators everywhere, can act arbitrarily and there is no way for users to remove or punish moderators. So this means that /r/$FOO is not actually a subreddit about $FOO, moderated so that exactly any non-spam discussion about $FOO is allowed, but rather a dictatorship ran by whoever happened to grab the name first. So…
My favorite solution requires a bit of tech work but is very viable. Users can subscribe to a subreddit, but also to specific moderators. If you don't like how someone moderates, unsubscribe to their moderation, and their changes and actions get removed from your feed. Simple.
This ties back into how "freedom to listen" is way more important than "freedom of speech" Though freedom of speech is a prerequisite for freedom to listen. If person X wants to say something and person Y wants to read it, moderator Z shouldnt be allowed to interfere. But you still need moderation or the webpage gets filled with spam and crap. So the solution is simple, if you don't like a moderator, unsubscribe from them and it's done.
Or if you see something you don't want to see, click a button to block it, then you get a popup with a list of moderators who have already moderated it, and the user gets an option to subscribe to them after looking at their mod history.
Re: Reddit CEO Says Mods Too Powerful, Plans to Weaken After Blackout
#364Earlier quoted context omitted.
The thing with mods is even if you don't recognize their value shape how a community works. If dang wasn't working on HN it would be a different place would it be better or worse? We don't know. If it's ok for reddit to reshape their communities it's fine to replace them but random mods are not a drop in replacement.
You're making my point for me. People are already assuming the new moderation will be noticeably worse to a significant degree, and using that assumption to assert their position as absolute. You know, in a place full of software devs who routinely mess up estimating something far more similar to their past experiences.
No, I said it will be different and as we learned numerous amounts people hate change. The kneecapped their growth with their redesign and now this shit show.
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#365I can get behind that push
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#366Earlier quoted context omitted.
> This is simply not true. I moderate several subs. How big subs ? Number of subs you moderate is entirely irrelevant to the topic
Is there any good reason that a single moderator should be allowed to moderate multiple subs? I'd take that as an I dictator of a power hungry mod, not a mod passionate about the topic at hand.
I can imagine few small subs where that would be fine but being mod on few of the bigger traffic ones would definitely be weird and suspicious
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#367"senators should have term limit!" "I get to be a mod forever though"
Except on Reddit if you don't like it you can start a competing subreddit and users can 'Vote' by following you.
"free markets dynamics are bad until they favor me!" I find most reddit users to very hypocritical
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#368Re: Reddit CEO Says Mods Too Powerful, Plans to Weaken After Blackout
#369Earlier quoted context omitted.
And you think for those people this doesn't hold true? > Most of them are doing it because they get off on having a tiny bit of power. Are you willfully ignoring this point, or do you really think that magically it will work out?
You can't do anything about that. Most of them will will be in it for themselves but when they start getting ideas that they own the place (like the current ones think) you cull them
Well, we could always not do your bad idea, then we wouldn't have to go into this loop of getting in new power-hungry mods just to throw them out and replace them with the next ones.
Re: Reddit CEO Says Mods Too Powerful, Plans to Weaken After Blackout
#370Earlier quoted context omitted.
I dunno, post on /r/games explaining why there were NOT going to black out is still sitting at 0 upvotes (a in "there is more downvotes than upvotes", with comments asking them to sitting on nice few k's of upvotes which would indicate that even people that never comment downvoted it and want the blackout. The few lurkers coming out of woodwork asking people to allow for enshittification to continue is by definition…
Polls and vote counts can no longer be used to measure subreddit sentiment on this issue. That window closed once the first blackout began, which thrust low-information members into a situation where it looks like the subreddit suddenly shut down. The majority of redditors have no idea where their subreddits disappeared to, why, or when they will be back. Therefore, they can't participate in any votes. All sentiment…
> which GP is arguing will ignore a silent majority of the subreddit's actual MAU.
...while also claiming they're clairvoyant and know about what silent majority wants.
Also arguably silent majority doesn't matter here because they are not the ones that *produce* any content to watch in the first place.
The whole point of blackouts is for them to put pressure on Reddit, whether actively (complaining) or passively (not giving traffic)