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Illinois prohibits weapons, facial recognition on police drones

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Re: Illinois prohibits weapons, facial recognition on police drones

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I don't understand the issue with facial recognition if it is only used as a lead, and isn't considered evidence in and of itself, and a person's rights are respected even if they are flagged by the facial recognition software. If the issue is disparate success rates between races or other demographics, then let's just fuzz the incoming data until it's all equal. Facial recognition still sounds like an incredibly use…

If I am flagged by facial recognition software my rights have already been violated.

This is a bad idea even before we consider that LEO is composed of fallible human beings with an established history of abusing the information systems they already possess.

Re: Illinois prohibits weapons, facial recognition on police drones

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The title confused me a bit, Illinois isn't prohibiting weapon recognition on drones, it's prohibiting putting weapons on drones. Also, the act doesn't appear to have any legal consequences, so I wonder if it actually holds any teeth.

If they did, then you could successfully sue them for an injunction. Further use would then be contempt of court, a separate crime. Further, any evidence derived from that would be inadmissible in any proceedings.

Re: Illinois prohibits weapons, facial recognition on police drones

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You should go look at the ratio between administrative costs and actual beat cop salaries. The rising cost of college and the rising cost of law enforcement/defense suffers from a similar decay of middle men leaches just creating fees. Also as a note, theres not a lot of correlation between an increase and violence and reduced weapons policy, its almost driven by some secondary macro trend.

The CPD has one of the lowest admin:beat cop ratios in the country. It's like 12:1. They're already about as lean as it gets.

12 admin to one cop doesn’t seem lean to me.

Re: Illinois prohibits weapons, facial recognition on police drones

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post #16

As an Illinois resident, voter, and taxpayer, I'm pleased by this. I don't think I've never been _happy_ with Illinois politicians, but this current set is meaningfully productive enough for me to consider plausible the idea of being happy with my government.

Illinois also just banned the practice of banning books :)

Re: Illinois prohibits weapons, facial recognition on police drones

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The title confused me a bit, Illinois isn't prohibiting weapon recognition on drones, it's prohibiting putting weapons on drones. Also, the act doesn't appear to have any legal consequences, so I wonder if it actually holds any teeth.

> The title confused me a bit, Illinois isn't prohibiting weapon recognition on drones, it's prohibiting putting weapons on drones. This is normal title style for a news headline and has been for a very long time; the comma here is short for "and".

"weapons" should be missing the "s" to reduce ambiguity in that case. Right now it reads like (weapons) and (facial recognition). "weapons recognition" doesn't quite sound right to me.

Re: Illinois prohibits weapons, facial recognition on police drones

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post #31
post #28

I don't understand the issue with facial recognition if it is only used as a lead, and isn't considered evidence in and of itself, and a person's rights are respected even if they are flagged by the facial recognition software. If the issue is disparate success rates between races or other demographics, then let's just fuzz the incoming data until it's all equal. Facial recognition still sounds like an incredibly use…

If I am flagged by facial recognition software my rights have already been violated. This is a bad idea even before we consider that LEO is composed of fallible human beings with an established history of abusing the information systems they already possess.

What right of yours was violated if you were flagged by facial recognition?

Re: Illinois prohibits weapons, facial recognition on police drones

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As a Brit, watching the militarisation of the US police force is kinda scary. Hearing about successful push back and positive legislation is good. A quick bit of Googling, I can't find any evidence of weapons a being placed on police drones in Illinois, so this seems preemptive, which is good to see! (Our own police force has many of its own problems)

Axon has openly floated the idea.

Re: Illinois prohibits weapons, facial recognition on police drones

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Drone means flying drones here. What about land based robots? Can they still put a shotgun on one of those to blow away a suspicious package? Can they still use a robot to breach a door? Can they use facial recognition software on footage recovered from a land based drone?

Re: Illinois prohibits weapons, facial recognition on police drones

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post #28

I don't understand the issue with facial recognition if it is only used as a lead, and isn't considered evidence in and of itself, and a person's rights are respected even if they are flagged by the facial recognition software. If the issue is disparate success rates between races or other demographics, then let's just fuzz the incoming data until it's all equal. Facial recognition still sounds like an incredibly use…

agree. the technology is exceptionally useful and banning it doesn't stop already corrupt LEO from fudging evidence. they should be removed entirely. individually, many forms of evidence in forensic science are complete BS but as part of a whole they add value. its the same with facial recognition. this is just a kneejerk reaction that sounds good on headlines and for politics but doesn't actually help anyone.

Re: Illinois prohibits weapons, facial recognition on police drones

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post #16

As an Illinois resident, voter, and taxpayer, I'm pleased by this. I don't think I've never been _happy_ with Illinois politicians, but this current set is meaningfully productive enough for me to consider plausible the idea of being happy with my government.

>I don't think I've never been _happy_ with Illinois politicians

Occasionally, I'm happy with the amount of jail time they get.

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