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Re: Reddit is removing moderators that protest by taking their communities private

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Post by idkyall »

iaw wrote: post #786

I think Huffman is falling into a trap that Kanye and Mark Zuckerberg have fallen into: trying to prove he's special. Kanye rose to fame as a young genius rapper/producer/designer and was acclaimed repeatedly. Zuckerberg rose to fame as a brilliant business twenty-something (according to the world around). They spent half their life being praised and told they're important, brilliant, special, prescient, etc. So they…

Look, I'm not the biggest Mark Zuckerberg fan or anything, but I don't think the thus-far questionable business decision to pivot to the metaverse is quite the same level as having an very public mental breakdown and making anti-semitic remarks

Re: Reddit is removing moderators that protest by taking their communities private

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Post by taude »

CSMastermind wrote: post #85
e2le wrote: post #23

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It's often struck me as odd how some moderators can be modding 50+ sometimes even high as 100+ subreddits. Why so many? I doubt they can be reasonably expected to moderate all of them. Shouldn't there be a limit?

I moderated a few decently popular subreddits for a while (a couple hundred posts a day, nothing crazy). I will say that most moderation work on Reddit can be done independently of a particular sub and scales okay across subreddits. Like the additional effort of moderating 100 subreddits vs 1 would be nowhere near 100x. It would probably be closer to like 5x the amount of work. And there are benefits to moderating ma…

thanks for your perspective on how this worked....

Re: Reddit is removing moderators that protest by taking their communities private

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Post by bfuller »

luroc wrote: post #441
andrewstuart2 wrote: post #169

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Lemmy is still significantly lower user count but honestly I prefer the community at the moment. Everything feels small and jovial. At least for the 12 comments I've posted thus far. I'm running my own, which makes it easy to federate out to pretty much anything and worry less about overload as I'm not really pushing for users. Thus far, it's definitely felt like a very viable replacement for reddit for the communiti…

Is there something like a 'Lemmy frontpage' yet? As in a view/site that aggregates top posts across Lemmy instances?

I'd like to know also, the community manager returns stuff with like 5 comments.

Re: Reddit is removing moderators that protest by taking their communities private

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Post by robotburrito »

Life has been nicer without Reddit. The last few days opened my eyes. I could actually just enjoy SF without having /r/sanfrancisco convince me that I don't live in the pleasant place I see out my window, but rather a mad max style dystopian hell hole that is worse than most war torn nations.

The detox has been nice. I think many others may feel the same.

Re: Reddit is removing moderators that protest by taking their communities private

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Post by riku_iki »

appletrotter wrote: post #751
efficax wrote: post #703

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> Even if we accept the CEO’s lie that running the API is costly compute isn't free man. it probably costs millions of dollars a year just to pay the cloud providers to support those apps. i doubt that's a lie...

Well simple logic would say that if they get $.12 per user/month, the costs to serve each user (in terms of compute) is probably below $.12 or else they would be losing money, no?

$.12 is MAU, which visit sites few times a week.

Apollo devs claim his users make 250 reqs/d, which is very different users and there is likely huge gap in costs numbers between cohorts.

Re: Reddit is removing moderators that protest by taking their communities private

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Post by jonathankoren »

seydor wrote: post #635
pnt12 wrote: post #629

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All companies depend on their customers, that's not a reddit only thing. If Coca-Cola pisses of their customers, they'll go to Pepsi in the blink of an eye.

sure, but they won't break all the vending machines

It’s more like the users are the vending machines, and the cans, and the soda.

When your whole value is provided by the unpaid labor of the users, you don’t get to say, “How dare they!”, when you’re the leach.

Re: Reddit is removing moderators that protest by taking their communities private

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Post by marcosdumay »

JohnBooty wrote: post #242
Llamamoe wrote: post #163

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All they had to do was make showing ads part of the ToS for developing third party apps, to require login for API access, and make only mass scraping require $$$.

All they had to do was make showing ads part of the ToS for developing third party apps, Not a rhetorical question: have any companies done this successfully? It seems like such an obvious solution to me, but I haven't seen it mentioned. One possible shortcoming (from Reddit's perspective) is the fact that the official Reddit app doesn't just show ads, it also collects all sorts of other user behavior data. So for th…

> So for them it might be able more than simply showing ads.

Yeah, and this is them being unreasonable. The insistence on all the large platforms on doing that even when all of their users revolt is childish and killed a lot of platforms already.

Re: Reddit is removing moderators that protest by taking their communities private

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Post by TheCapn »

marcosdumay wrote: post #784
Loveaway wrote: post #128

This is so sad honestly. Like wtf is going on, no apology, no good will, doubling down on the complete moral suicide of Reddit. To push an app no-one ever liked, you know that, but whatever. No-one likes “new” Reddit either, you know that, but whatever. Who’s even gonna use the site after this? Social media zombie sheeple is all that's going to be left. Congrats on your dumb little site, from the front-page of the In…

> Are you guys starving or what?? The CEO himself have said a few times that they are are not and were never profitable. They can't keep raising money, so yeah, from their POV, it's do something now and bad consequences don't really matter. The thing where he disagree with any thinking human is on what that "something" may be (and about not acting earlier). But the desperation is reasonable.

There's something else odd going on. I think the easiest answer is the company is just poorly run but considering everything we've seen from both sides of the issue:

- Reddit believes costs to maintain their API are on the level of charging 3rd party apps upwards of $20MM each. A small handful of 3rd party apps between iOS/Android would be netting them $100MM annually? Does it really cost them that much to run the API? There's a lot of questions regarding those figures by themselves

- Reluctance to come up with alternative offerings. If this is about 3rd party apps not serving ads, why is the most obvious solution not just "3rd party app usage must be through premium accounts"?

- An absolute refusal to recognize how their site operates and the value of the free labour given to them through moderation and content generation. This one is where I'm most in the dark. They must've run the metrics to see that even if losing a sizable portion of the 3rd party users they won't be in a bad place. I'm assuming they're prepared to rework their moderation structure in its entirety? But at the same time, they seem unable to devlop/publish meaningful features that have been requested by those who know the site best

My gut reaction is the IPO is coming. They want short term numbers bump to justify these actions and damn the long term. A mindset of solve the immediate problem, ignore the rest and figure it out later. Most people see this as a bad strategy, they seem to believe in it...but have they had a good track record to date showing they're capable of making these measured decisions? I think not.

It's interesting to watch & experience at least.

Re: Reddit is removing moderators that protest by taking their communities private

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Post by matheusmoreira »

taude wrote: post #789
matheusmoreira wrote: post #776

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Stats? Come on. Reddit pesters every mobile user agent to install their shitty app every time. It's like Google pushing Chrome. How many people install their malware just to stop getting nagged about it? People even say they made reddit web bad on purpose to drive people to the app. Show those users better third party apps with no ads and then ask them which they like more.

Why do you deserve to have no ads? Reddit isn't a community service. I do think that for moderators, they could have some special app to help them do their jobs easier, but for regular users, meh, the ads are easy enough to scroll past, like in other social media outfits. I also don't agree that the mobile app is shitty.

> Why do you deserve to have no ads?

Because my attention belongs to me. Exclusively. It's not yours. It's not reddit's. It's not Google's. It doesn't belong to anyone other than I, certainly not a corporation. It's not a currency that can be used to pay for services. They do not have the right to sell it off to the highest bidder.

I deserve not to be advertised to for the same reasons women deserve not to be raped: basic human dignity. I don't consent to it. I don't consent to their forcible injection of their silly little brands and taglines into my mind. As far as I'm concerned it's mind rape and anything I do to kill ads is legitimate justified self defense. I couldn't care less how much money they lose either, find another business model or disappear.

Re: Reddit is removing moderators that protest by taking their communities private

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Post by LordShredda »

iaw wrote: post #786

I think Huffman is falling into a trap that Kanye and Mark Zuckerberg have fallen into: trying to prove he's special. Kanye rose to fame as a young genius rapper/producer/designer and was acclaimed repeatedly. Zuckerberg rose to fame as a brilliant business twenty-something (according to the world around). They spent half their life being praised and told they're important, brilliant, special, prescient, etc. So they…

It was not a lamp stack for sure. Linux maybe but prototype reddit was in lisp
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