How is this supposed to be believable from a company that has been bashing EVs for the last few years, doing everything they can to not make any, not promote them, and tell everyone that hybrids and ICE cars are better?
Toyota Touts Solid State EVs with 932-Mile Range, 10-Minute Charging by 2027
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#122027 toyota will probably still be catching up with the orders from 2022.
This is definitely accurate in Canada, where people are being quoted 8 year waits for the RAV prime.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/car-market-analysis-1.68737...
Toyota can't even produce gas minivans for the market without a similar wait. It is not a credible source of anything right now.
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#13Is this their sorry excuse for staying completely uncompetitive on current generation EVs?
“Why bother making a competitive EV in 2023 when we know Superman is coming to earth and bringing Kryptonite batteries with him in 2027?”
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#14Perfect for connecting directly to your neighborhood cold fusion plant
(it would be nice if both things happened, but I view them as ~equally likely)
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#15How is this supposed to be believable from a company that has been bashing EVs for the last few years, doing everything they can to not make any, not promote them, and tell everyone that hybrids and ICE cars are better?
>How is this supposed to be believable
What are you saying? That they aren't doing research? That they are straight-out lying?
I don't see this as in conflict with their claims that EVs, as is, aren't the future.
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#16How is this supposed to be believable from a company that has been bashing EVs for the last few years, doing everything they can to not make any, not promote them, and tell everyone that hybrids and ICE cars are better?
> How is this supposed to be believable What are you saying? That they aren't doing research? That they are straight-out lying? I don't see this as in conflict with their claims that EVs, as is, aren't the future.
I think they are trying to drag out their EV strategy as long as the market will let them. Since it's nonexistent, that could be a while.
It isn't possible to leapfrog everyone in EVs when you've been trying hard to milk your existing factories and products instead of getting any experience actually building and selling them.
I owned a Prius when they were new and I fully expected Toyota to become the world leader in EVs. Had they done that, I would also believe this battery story. But not today.
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#17How is this supposed to be believable from a company that has been bashing EVs for the last few years, doing everything they can to not make any, not promote them, and tell everyone that hybrids and ICE cars are better?
new CEO... new priorities. How is the top automaker on top? making good moves.
Toyota has been correct that hybrids have been the best setup for the past 10 and next 10 years. Charging infra is catching up but a major bottleneck. Range too.
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#18Earlier quoted context omitted.
> How is this supposed to be believable What are you saying? That they aren't doing research? That they are straight-out lying? I don't see this as in conflict with their claims that EVs, as is, aren't the future.
I think they are trying to drag out their EV strategy as long as the market will let them. Since it's nonexistent, that could be a while. It isn't possible to leapfrog everyone in EVs when you've been trying hard to milk your existing factories and products instead of getting any experience actually building and selling them. I owned a Prius when they were new and I fully expected Toyota to become the world leader in…
On top of that we know that Toyota's EV strategy was heavily invested in R&D of Hydrogen fuel cells. They made some wrong bets and it continues to show.
If the article didn't specifically mention that their plans involved some new formulation of Lithium Iron Phosphate I'd have expected "solid state EVs" to just be fresh marketing hype of Hydrogen fuel cells, because of Toyota's recent history.
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#19How is this supposed to be believable from a company that has been bashing EVs for the last few years, doing everything they can to not make any, not promote them, and tell everyone that hybrids and ICE cars are better?
Bashing != diverse opinion on the future role of BEV's in the vehicle mix.
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#20How is this supposed to be believable from a company that has been bashing EVs for the last few years, doing everything they can to not make any, not promote them, and tell everyone that hybrids and ICE cars are better?
new CEO... new priorities. How is the top automaker on top? making good moves. Toyota has been correct that hybrids have been the best setup for the past 10 and next 10 years. Charging infra is catching up but a major bottleneck. Range too.
90 HEV = 6 PHEV = 1 BEV, 90:6:1 is Toyota's opinion.
You get way more zero emission VMT using batteries in the HEV and PHEV role. A lot of BEVs are second or third cars for wealthy people who keep some sort of ICE as well. Those cars don't generate lots of VMT so their batteries are effectively being wasted.