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Reddit CEO Says Mods Too Powerful, Plans to Weaken After Blackout

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Re: Reddit CEO Says Mods Too Powerful, Plans to Weaken After Blackout

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Post by Sylamore »

Y-bar wrote: post #45
sarasasa28 wrote: post #36

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Well, I, for one, don't fucking care about third party apps (which make money mind you) Reddit is/was my first source of real human information for a lot of stuff (since google is unusable now). And this blackout was really a pain in the ass

I do care about the third party apps because they assist moderators in doing their job (which has been done for free as a service to Reddit). And more personally, they provide accessibility support lacking both in the Reddit website and app. I am not a mod, and will literally no longer be able to use Reddit as well as I have had over the last years. The third-party developers have provided Reddit with tremendous valu…

Even as a non-mod the third party apps are simply a substantially better user experience than the official app. The CEO's statements and actions have made it clear that the user, nor the mods are anything other than a metric to be exploited in their business plan. I'm no longer interested in participating in their cattle drive.

Re: Reddit CEO Says Mods Too Powerful, Plans to Weaken After Blackout

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Post by pavel_lishin »

arbitrage wrote: post #164
cocojumbo123 wrote: post #154

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> Then they will find new ones. Looks easier than it actually is. Here's how a mod routine looks like: check modqueue (that's the place where all reports come). Some are fake because one user has some beef with another, some trolls, some spam, some user insulting each-other. you work through the queue, by the time you are done users who were banned are already complaining on modmail, you take your time to read all co…

Reddit came down hard on threatening mods the other year. Did you forget, or are you omitting that on purpose to strengthen your argument? If you're a mod, and get threatened, ban the user. It's simple. Move on with your life. 90% of your problems in Reddit are caused by 10% of the people. Get rid of the trouble makers and your job is a cakewalk. Is this really that difficult to reason through?

> If you're a mod, and get threatened, ban the user. It's simple. Move on with your life.

Have you ever moderated a sufficiently large community?

Re: Reddit CEO Says Mods Too Powerful, Plans to Weaken After Blackout

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Post by A4ET8a8uTh0 »

llm_nerd wrote: post #41
AnotherGoodName wrote: post #8

Ha. There were some weird posts from new users in subreddits I frequent. 'we need to rise up against the mods the blackout is an outrage!' It was met with unanimous wtf is wrong with you, go outside. I get the feeling spez is creating new accounts and posting as them again.

It's a pretty common sentiment that opinions that differ from our own must be corrupt, bought, sock-puppets, etc. People on virtually every side of any issue feel this way because it's comforting to imagine that our own opinion is the only authentic one. Loads of reddit users are annoyed by the blackout thing and find the arguments for it unconvincing. I mean personally I think all of the blackout people should just…

I would have bought this line of thinking about two decades ago, but between now and then a lot has happened that seriously undermined any kind of faith that the post found on the internet is a genuine perspective or, indeed, that it was even generated by a human.

I think the last straw for me was FCC public comment ISP industry sock puppetry related to net neutrality ( not that there were no indications of foul plays before ) and the fact that nothing changed after those revelations.

That said, I absolutely buy that there are reddit users that are annoyed; I will also admit that I have yet to talk to someone, who does not support the blackout. Still, this may reflect my social circle more than anything else so I do not dismiss your point.

Re: Reddit CEO Says Mods Too Powerful, Plans to Weaken After Blackout

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Post by CamelCaseName »

none_to_remain wrote: post #136

The fun part is for me Reddit was pretty much already dead, as these moderators degraded the content over the past several years. I made no big decision to boycott, just subreddits were driven below an interestingness/quality threshold and fell from my browsing, so the only one I've looked at regularly in a couple years is local r/nyc. (which didn't blackout) I blame the admins to the extent they encouraged and allow…

Reddit is dead in your opinion because they drove out the most passionate creators and moderators.

Over years of inaction, or bad action. Chasing bad product ideas while ignoring key features.

Re: Reddit CEO Says Mods Too Powerful, Plans to Weaken After Blackout

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Post by chongli »

riku_iki wrote: post #172
chongli wrote: post #132

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Lurkers are pure consumers, free-riders. They produce nothing. They are valuable only to Reddit for their potential to be monetized. People like to say that users who post content care about lurkers because they want to be seen/heard. No. People who post content care about commenters (and up/downvoters at the bare minimum) who interact with them in meaningful ways, not lurkers. Lurkers are the cosmic neutrinos of soc…

> They are valuable only to Reddit for their potential to be monetized. yes, and fund service running. Looks like important part of the ecosystem.

Only for a centralized, corporate-owned system like Reddit. A volunteer-owned fediverse system can monetize via donations, Patreon-style. This changes the incentive structure: making the administrators accountable to the most invested people (power users).

Re: Reddit CEO Says Mods Too Powerful, Plans to Weaken After Blackout

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Post by sandyarmstrong »

marktangotango wrote: post #117
BeefWellington wrote: post #74

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> delete your comments Given reddit is apparently restoring deleted comments, that's going to be a useless gesture.[1] I agree with the sentiment though; if people en masse migrated away from Reddit the way they did with Digg, that would be the only really impactful long-term gesture. Edit: Regarding the sockpuppet thing, I mean, we've literally seen that happen a number of times. When you see an account created in 2…

I've been exploring the fediverse options like kbin and lemmy and I just don't see it. Maybe someone can explain. If one lemmy instance has a really popular community, say "Memes" how can that scale? There could be millions of posts and terabytes of data. Then if multiple lemmy instances have their own "Memes" communities, that's balkanized and a user would have to subscribe to each instances "Memes" community? Or ar…

You can have an account on one instance and subscribe to a community on another. There's no need for every instance to have a "memes" community, though there will undoubtedly be more than one. Then you can subscribe to the one(s) you like best. Not unlike how Reddit tends to have multiple subreddits for popular things with different mods, norms, and feels.

Re: Reddit CEO Says Mods Too Powerful, Plans to Weaken After Blackout

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Post by WhereIsTheTruth »

jarym wrote: post #50

> "What I'm suggesting as a pathway out is actually more democracy," If he wanted more democracy he would have listened more and sooner. He simply didn't like what he was hearing. But let's not confuse things - Reddit is a business that wants to IPO, democracy isn't what this is about by any measure. This mess keeps getting worse (for Reddit but also all the communities on it) and he clearly lacks the means to naviga…

Looks like they perfectly know what they are doing, and the plan is pretty clear to me, and they said it: "mods too powerful", to me this sounds like a government or a big company, they don't like when the people have too much power or when they unionize, so they turn authoritarian and totalitarian, Reddit is just like that, turning into something it shouldn't, I wouldn't be surprised if they were pressured by the CIA/NSA

Re: Reddit CEO Says Mods Too Powerful, Plans to Weaken After Blackout

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Post by fullshark »

x86x87 wrote: post #183
fullshark wrote: post #151

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Do you disagree with him here? Mods are too powerful, many have decided to try and murder the site because of something most users don't even care about. The idea that because I volunteered to moderate r/subcultureX for a few years I can make sure www.reddit.com/r/subcultureX can never direct to any content forever is ridiculous.

nah. there was always a way to remove crappy mods. reddit could and would step in at any point in time. don't mix "there are crappy mods out there" with "all mods are crappy". it's not even close. the reason reddit runs is because of all the unpaid mod labor. reddit should just fucking moderate all subs themselves and after that they can do whatever the fuck they want. what? that's expensive AF and comes with liabili…

They will step in eventually, and they are going to respond to this blackout with a new voting mechanism to replace mods it sounds like. Both seem sensible to me.

Re: Reddit CEO Says Mods Too Powerful, Plans to Weaken After Blackout

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Post by casenmgreen »

The and the only reason the CEO is talking about this now is because it is the mods who are resisting his and Reddit management's awful behaviour.

The CEO et al I would say have no concern about this issue as such - or it would have come over years ago - they are concerned, and concerned now, only because it is getting in their way.

Reddit management to my eye has lost sight of the fact the Reddit exists because a very large number of people decided of their own free will to be there. The content generators do not belong to Reddit, nor is the content generated by Reddit. When large site owners come to imagine they own their site and can do what they like with it, as if the users belong to them, they can break their sites, because users leave - mySpace is the case in point.

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