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Reddit CEO Says Mods Too Powerful, Plans to Weaken After Blackout

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Re: Reddit CEO Says Mods Too Powerful, Plans to Weaken After Blackout

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Ha. There were some weird posts from new users in subreddits I frequent. 'we need to rise up against the mods the blackout is an outrage!' It was met with unanimous wtf is wrong with you, go outside. I get the feeling spez is creating new accounts and posting as them again.

It's a pretty common sentiment that opinions that differ from our own must be corrupt, bought, sock-puppets, etc. People on virtually every side of any issue feel this way because it's comforting to imagine that our own opinion is the only authentic one. Loads of reddit users are annoyed by the blackout thing and find the arguments for it unconvincing. I mean personally I think all of the blackout people should just…

> Loads of reddit users are annoyed by the blackout thing and find the arguments for it unconvincing. I mean personally I think all of the blackout people should just leave Reddit. Delete your accounts, delete your comments, resign as mods. Let the rest of reddit just move on.

You're not entitled to the communities or their content. The communities themselves are what make the sub. The same happens when users migrate from one sub to another or complain.

You don't control what they do and how they should behave. There was a social contract and it was thoroughly broken, so there's obvious instability now.

The "I couldn't care less, give me my memes" can take their own arbitrary advice and leave if they don't like something. See how useless that is?

Re: Reddit CEO Says Mods Too Powerful, Plans to Weaken After Blackout

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> delete your comments Given reddit is apparently restoring deleted comments, that's going to be a useless gesture.[1] I agree with the sentiment though; if people en masse migrated away from Reddit the way they did with Digg, that would be the only really impactful long-term gesture. Edit: Regarding the sockpuppet thing, I mean, we've literally seen that happen a number of times. When you see an account created in 2…

I've been exploring the fediverse options like kbin and lemmy and I just don't see it. Maybe someone can explain. If one lemmy instance has a really popular community, say "Memes" how can that scale? There could be millions of posts and terabytes of data. Then if multiple lemmy instances have their own "Memes" communities, that's balkanized and a user would have to subscribe to each instances "Memes" community? Or ar…

You can subscribe to the Memes@lemmy.world community from your account on another instance, even if your instance has its own Memes community. Then when you create a thread or post a reply, it'll be sent from your instance to lemmy.world.

Re: Reddit CEO Says Mods Too Powerful, Plans to Weaken After Blackout

#163

Good. If mods want to withhold their own work and resign in protest, power to them. But right now they're hanging this all on mass censoring the work of their users. Screw that. Now, if users want to take down their own content in protest, also power to them.

> Now, if users want to take down their own content in protest, also power to them.

Except Reddit appears to be taking away that power and un-deleting/un-editing comments that user's are deleting/editing in protest.

Re: Reddit CEO Says Mods Too Powerful, Plans to Weaken After Blackout

#164

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>If those moderators leave, Then they will find new ones. As long as Reddit has usecases, as long as the powertrip is worth the lack of ownership and poor tooling, there will be mods willing to moderate subs and feeling powerful and getting drunk off of it. 'Historically', this has happened in every social medium with moderation so far. There's no anarchy here. Most Redditors don't care for the mods in particular. If…

> Then they will find new ones. Looks easier than it actually is. Here's how a mod routine looks like: check modqueue (that's the place where all reports come). Some are fake because one user has some beef with another, some trolls, some spam, some user insulting each-other. you work through the queue, by the time you are done users who were banned are already complaining on modmail, you take your time to read all co…

Reddit came down hard on threatening mods the other year. Did you forget, or are you omitting that on purpose to strengthen your argument?

If you're a mod, and get threatened, ban the user. It's simple. Move on with your life. 90% of your problems in Reddit are caused by 10% of the people. Get rid of the trouble makers and your job is a cakewalk.

Is this really that difficult to reason through?

Re: Reddit CEO Says Mods Too Powerful, Plans to Weaken After Blackout

#166

Ha. There were some weird posts from new users in subreddits I frequent. 'we need to rise up against the mods the blackout is an outrage!' It was met with unanimous wtf is wrong with you, go outside. I get the feeling spez is creating new accounts and posting as them again.

It's a pretty common sentiment that opinions that differ from our own must be corrupt, bought, sock-puppets, etc. People on virtually every side of any issue feel this way because it's comforting to imagine that our own opinion is the only authentic one. Loads of reddit users are annoyed by the blackout thing and find the arguments for it unconvincing. I mean personally I think all of the blackout people should just…

Unfortunately, sock-puppeting is a lot more pervasive than most people realize.

Re: Reddit CEO Says Mods Too Powerful, Plans to Weaken After Blackout

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Let's just migrate to lemmy, reddit is EOL

I agree, lemmy still has a lot of rough edges, but it would be better to depend on decentralized infrastructure, where no CEO will decide rules.

In case of Reddit it's just beginning. I don't really care about API access, but they send clear signal that they only care about profits, not about users and community. What's next? They will require paid subscription to browse content created by users for free, because traffic generates costs and they "have to be profitable"?

Today they still have huge userbase and it's their only advantage. There was Digg, there is Reddit and soon there will be next thing like lemmy.

Re: Reddit CEO Says Mods Too Powerful, Plans to Weaken After Blackout

#168

Ha. There were some weird posts from new users in subreddits I frequent. 'we need to rise up against the mods the blackout is an outrage!' It was met with unanimous wtf is wrong with you, go outside. I get the feeling spez is creating new accounts and posting as them again.

There's a silent majority - "lurkers" - that the mods have completely ignored over the course of their tantrum. I've commented more in the past few days than i have in the past few months, because it's obvious the mods have completely lost perspective of the average user experience.

> There's a silent majority - "lurkers" - that the mods have completely ignored

What is there for the mods to ignore, when the lurkers are - as you said - silent?

Re: Reddit CEO Says Mods Too Powerful, Plans to Weaken After Blackout

#169
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Ha. There were some weird posts from new users in subreddits I frequent. 'we need to rise up against the mods the blackout is an outrage!' It was met with unanimous wtf is wrong with you, go outside. I get the feeling spez is creating new accounts and posting as them again.

They can easily use shit like ChatGPT to astroturf tbh.

I can't find it but there was a screenshot the other day of a pro-reddit post which started with "I'm sorry, but I cannot fulfill that request."

Re: Reddit CEO Says Mods Too Powerful, Plans to Weaken After Blackout

#170

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Not everyone that disagrees with you is doing so in bad faith. Not everything is brigading, etc. Some of us think that the blackouts are starting to look a lot like a tantrum that doesn't represent the best interests of the community. It is a very one-sided argument, as if the moderators are the reason the community exists. No. Moderators are unnecessary without users. It's a symbiosis.

They will probably have no problem replacing them either. You might have to take a quality dip, at least in theory; In reality it's hard to imagine the mods getting worse. They have a really terrible attitude. It's not just about community relations either, they really, really suck at enforcing rules, so it's not like we're gonna lose quality there. The only reason reddit continues to play nice is to prevent a mass e…

You're painting mods with a really broad brush, here. There are as many different moderator styles as there are subreddits.

> They don't WANT the mods to leave, and I do think it's a problem to embitter, and anger community, even just the mods.

I'm not convinced. I think they want the _current_ crop of mods of big subreddits to leave, to be replaced by users who would never dream of protesting Reddit's decisions.

> That said, they're quite replaceable, it seems.

In terms of popping some users out, and granting others mod access, that's true. In terms of the quality of the subreddit as a result - that would remain to be seen. I've browsed under-moderated subreddits that are relevant to my interests, and it's not a good experience.

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