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Reddit CEO Says Mods Too Powerful, Plans to Weaken After Blackout

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Re: Reddit CEO Says Mods Too Powerful, Plans to Weaken After Blackout

#81

Ha. There were some weird posts from new users in subreddits I frequent. 'we need to rise up against the mods the blackout is an outrage!' It was met with unanimous wtf is wrong with you, go outside. I get the feeling spez is creating new accounts and posting as them again.

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Re: Reddit CEO Says Mods Too Powerful, Plans to Weaken After Blackout

#82

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Well, for one, they're the sole value prop for the site. They generate, rank, and curate the content in concert with mods and admins.

Why don't the users go and do that somewhere else? genuine question, I don't use Reddit.

Network & lock-in effects.

It's pretty difficult to coordinate moving even dozens of people in a community to a new place; subreddits can have hundreds, thousands, even hundreds of thousands.

There's not a particularly great way to move, for example, r/askhistorians elsewhere and ask people to follow. There will be a tremendous drop-off, as well as loss of historical (hah) posts, community knowledge, etc., etc.

But also: yeah, users will probably end up going somewhere else. It'll be a diaspora; Reddit arguably prospered because Digg's users migrated there en mass after the redesign fiasco. Tumblr and Twitter have been seeing migration waves back and forth. Other communities will come, and grow - but it won't just be a "move".

Re: Reddit CEO Says Mods Too Powerful, Plans to Weaken After Blackout

#83

Ha. There were some weird posts from new users in subreddits I frequent. 'we need to rise up against the mods the blackout is an outrage!' It was met with unanimous wtf is wrong with you, go outside. I get the feeling spez is creating new accounts and posting as them again.

Yeah before I deleted my accounts yesterday, the rate of weird pro-reddit admin comments was getting pretty high. It would not surprise me at all if they are trying to game the numbers more before their IPO, so they can claim they made the right decision. Investors: do you due diligence! Reddit has used fake accounts in the past! :)

Obviously, anyone who disagrees with me must be an astroturfer bot.

Re: Reddit CEO Says Mods Too Powerful, Plans to Weaken After Blackout

#84

Ha. There were some weird posts from new users in subreddits I frequent. 'we need to rise up against the mods the blackout is an outrage!' It was met with unanimous wtf is wrong with you, go outside. I get the feeling spez is creating new accounts and posting as them again.

It's a pretty common sentiment that opinions that differ from our own must be corrupt, bought, sock-puppets, etc. People on virtually every side of any issue feel this way because it's comforting to imagine that our own opinion is the only authentic one. Loads of reddit users are annoyed by the blackout thing and find the arguments for it unconvincing. I mean personally I think all of the blackout people should just…

Already done. I know three less accounts is a drop in the bucket, but whatever.

I’m sure reddit will be a really fun place to suck up to big corporations now all the other content has left.

Re: Reddit CEO Says Mods Too Powerful, Plans to Weaken After Blackout

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>The moderators are the worst part of Reddit. probably why you were down voted, I think the mods provide a decent service preventing it from degenerating into an echo chamber like truth-social >Just pay someone to do their job This I agree with, if the mods were paid well, maybe things would be better. Maybe a rule change like "If your group gets xxx many unique users posting content per day, you get paid X". But tha…

> preventing it from degenerating into an echo chamber like truth-social I can’t compare to truth-social as Ive never used it. But big subs like /r/politics are definitely echo chambers and I think they are that way because the mods like it that way.

It's even less likely that paid mods would change that though, they'd only make it worse because they'd only want to stick to a very narrow set of "safe" advertiser friendly opinions, just like most other social media.

Re: Reddit CEO Says Mods Too Powerful, Plans to Weaken After Blackout

#86
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Reddit wouldn't be what it is without mods. Good luck finding people that will work for free without a sense of ownership.

There's an endless supply of people who want to moderate forums and are happy to do so for free even if they don't get to set the rules or operate as a dictator.

The moderators who consider the lack of "a sense of ownership" a deal breaker are precisely the people you don't want as moderators. They're the ones who are likely interested in that power for the sake of abusing it to serve their own personal agenda rather than the good of the community. It's no different from why we don't want cops to be able to make their own laws (and why laws that are vague enough to give them discretion to act capriciously are bad laws).

Re: Reddit CEO Says Mods Too Powerful, Plans to Weaken After Blackout

#87

There goes reddit. No one wants an unmoderated slop.

Some of them go waaaay too far. Mass purges of disagreement/dissent have become normal on there, but they're now going after 'prethoughtcrime' - banning anybody who's ever posted to any of a growing list of subreddits deemed 'bad'.

The ideological enforcement is unbearable. I can't believe people still use it.

Re: Reddit CEO Says Mods Too Powerful, Plans to Weaken After Blackout

#88

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Well, for one, they're the sole value prop for the site. They generate, rank, and curate the content in concert with mods and admins.

Why don't the users go and do that somewhere else? genuine question, I don't use Reddit.

They did before, they are now, and they will after. Reddit contends with Facebook, Instagram, TikTok, blogs, etc. We're doing it right here ourselves.

Re: Reddit CEO Says Mods Too Powerful, Plans to Weaken After Blackout

#89
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There's a silent majority - "lurkers" - that the mods have completely ignored over the course of their tantrum. I've commented more in the past few days than i have in the past few months, because it's obvious the mods have completely lost perspective of the average user experience.

Lurkers should also realize that their experience is shaped by mods decisions. For the better or for the worst, that's a good question, I guess we will soon find out. But given what FB groups look like, I have my own opinion.

Also, lurkers would have nothing to lurk around if it weren't for heavier posters, many of whom use third party apps to paper over the various papercuts of posting with the official site/client.

Re: Reddit CEO Says Mods Too Powerful, Plans to Weaken After Blackout

#90
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Well, I, for one, don't fucking care about third party apps (which make money mind you) Reddit is/was my first source of real human information for a lot of stuff (since google is unusable now). And this blackout was really a pain in the ass

I do care about the third party apps because they assist moderators in doing their job (which has been done for free as a service to Reddit). And more personally, they provide accessibility support lacking both in the Reddit website and app. I am not a mod, and will literally no longer be able to use Reddit as well as I have had over the last years. The third-party developers have provided Reddit with tremendous valu…

> (which has been done for free as a service to Reddit).

Most of them are doing it because they get off on having a tiny bit of power.

I couldn't care less about the API or the will of capricious mods - I hope Reddit will hand the subs over to other people

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