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Re: Reddit Threatens to Remove Moderators from Subreddits Continuing Blackouts

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Post by ImaCake »

tensor wrote: post #324
NoboruWataya wrote: post #236

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is why I think federated alternatives like Lemmy are important and I would like to see communities migrate there instead of some other corporate walled garden. Otherwise we'll just be having the exact same discussion about some other website in five years. It pains me to see even a lot of FOSS-focused communities move their discussions to Discord, for example. Most of the criticisms of the federated platforms ce…

I'd love to see something without federation, but using a wikipedia style model to support it. I don't think federation will ever be sufficiently simple for the majority of people to adopt, and I think the world needs a world forum that is accessible for everyone, not just tech people.

I tentatively disagree here. The only required complexity for federation is choosing a server/instance. Once you are using it the experience could be made frictionless.

I think a big problem people have had with trying to join federated socials is that they did it when everyone else tried it and thus the system failed. And so people think its really hard when its just been technical issues with onboarding people.

Re: Reddit Threatens to Remove Moderators from Subreddits Continuing Blackouts

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Post by theshrike79 »

CincinnatiMan wrote: post #69
Havoc wrote: post #24

Ah the classic beatings will continue until morale improves approach. Starting to think Reddit leadership is genuinely not all that sharp

There are likely hundreds if not thousands of users who would be willing to become mods of each of the subreddits that are still in private mode. I know I would mod some of the subs I find useful.

I can take on /r/videos in a heartbeat.

40 million people and _I_ get to decide what they see.

(For priority access my BTC address is bc1qvpkxvkyg269zf6yjf5mcmttll7gsmxh3t2veuy)

Re: Reddit Threatens to Remove Moderators from Subreddits Continuing Blackouts

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Post by troad »

ImaCake wrote: post #581
tensor wrote: post #324

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd love to see something without federation, but using a wikipedia style model to support it. I don't think federation will ever be sufficiently simple for the majority of people to adopt, and I think the world needs a world forum that is accessible for everyone, not just tech people.

I tentatively disagree here. The only required complexity for federation is choosing a server/instance. Once you are using it the experience could be made frictionless. I think a big problem people have had with trying to join federated socials is that they did it when everyone else tried it and thus the system failed. And so people think its really hard when its just been technical issues with onboarding people.

> The only required complexity for federation is choosing a server/instance.

This is a bigger problem than fans of federation acknowledge, though. Human beings have multi-faceted identities, and fediverse instances tend to be quite narrowly focused.

The average person is rightly going to assume that 'A collection of Marxist communities' - to take a real instance description from near the top of the join-lemmy.org list - is probably going to be mostly about Marxism, and not really about, say, knitting, or motorcycle maintenance. And even if a given person is in fact a Marxist, they're not going to see 'a collection of Marxist communities' as a replacement for Reddit, where they can talk about Marxism, motorcycles, and knitting.

You can explain to people all about federation and the ability to interact across different instances, but you're still asking them to make a home somewhere, and that entails choosing from amongst identities in a way that Reddit doesn't require, and that most people don't want to do. You're also putting them at the whim of their home instance in a way that they aren't used to and may not like (what if the Marxist instance defederates / blocks the users from the motorcycle instance, due to their insufficient revolutionary zeal?).

Re: Reddit Threatens to Remove Moderators from Subreddits Continuing Blackouts

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Post by brvsft »

moskie wrote: post #76

We (the internet community) made such a terrible mistake with social media. We formed connections and communities and friendships on sites like Facebook and Twitter and Reddit, but those companies need to make money, so those connections are only allowed to exist as long as they are part of a profitable system. How awful it is to reduce human connection to that. To think that I am only allowed to maintain certain soc…

Some are harping on the sentence before this, but this is absurd:

> How awful it is to reduce human connection to that. To think that I am only allowed to maintain certain social connections as long as they continue to produce monetary value for an intermediary.

You are definitely allowed to form connections outside of the internet. That's where many of the best ones are.

Re: Reddit Threatens to Remove Moderators from Subreddits Continuing Blackouts

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Post by adriand »

PlunderBunny wrote: post #516
adriand wrote: post #434

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Shifting focus to local in-person interactions and creating solid and sustainable relationships that don’t depend on the whims of the latest social media platform seems increasingly important. I agree with this completely. I have formed many online relationships particularly in the music community starting during the COVID lockdowns and it has really struck me how ephemeral they are compared to IRL friendships. It’…

Online, we make the people we interact with into the people we want them to be, not who they actually are.

This is a fantastic insight!

Re: Reddit Threatens to Remove Moderators from Subreddits Continuing Blackouts

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Post by tensor »

BugsJustFindMe wrote: post #525
tensor wrote: post #466

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> but it's an extreme form of selfishness to demand that someone else sacrifice earnings to provide perpetual unfettered platform access to things that were put on the platform of posters' own accord without coercion.

I urge you to read it again with the newfound knowledge that, now three times without any attempt at course adjustment, you've so far been misconstruing it. Sidebar on preventing this kind of situation in the future: asking questions clears confusion faster than repeating the same mistaken statements again after learning that they're mistaken.

At this point I can only assume you are gaslighting. You keep accusing me of claiming a falsehood, even when I quote your very own words, and you make no attempt to actually explain your own words.

I don’t take kindly to gaslighting. This conversation is finished.

Re: Reddit Threatens to Remove Moderators from Subreddits Continuing Blackouts

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Post by AwaAwa »

Kilgore54 wrote: post #306
AwaAwa wrote: post #282

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Try not paying your taxes and see what happens. We have always been reduced to producers of monetary value for an intermediary. We pretend we are in control of that intermediary, and maybe once we were. Much like the beginning of every social media site.

It's not really an apples to apples comparison. You're talking about taxation, governments can absolutely run stuff that is not profitable and do all the time. Better example would be to not pay your rent or your mortgage... But we don't want to make the mistake of equating governments with private capital. If anything governments are controlled by private capital disproportionately when they are often the only defen…

I think it is an apt comparison, since social media companies don't need to extract monetary value from every single individual, unlike rent, and do run their orgs for large amounts of time in the 'red' thanks to VC money. Which let's be honest, is another game of VC's leveraging credit/debt systems via financial institutions.

Perhaps you feel this way because you still think the government is individually on our side, when every announcement sounds more and more for a vague concept of good, that seems to enrich the announcers, while doing nothing for my life, or any real person I have ever interacted with. Which puts paid to the concept of government being on the individual's side.

Re: Reddit Threatens to Remove Moderators from Subreddits Continuing Blackouts

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Post by mymythisisthis »

joshvm wrote: post #401
jhanschoo wrote: post #396

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For reddit specifically, I have to disagree. It's a sad state the Internet has become, where you used to get coherent results from decentralized blogs when you google a sufficiently niche hobbyist topic. These days you just get content marketing spam. Append reddit to your search and you get subject-matter experts. The valuable conversation and folk knowledge is all siloed on social media.

Reddit successfully centralised forums and made it convenient because you didn't need 20+ logins. The other half is link sharing/doom scrolling (the addictive stuff), which replaced Digg, Stumbleupon, etc. In the not-so-distant past if you wanted expert help and non-astroturfed suggestions (or even just memes), that's where you went. Those places still exist for a lot of fields and the experts still hang out (and oft…

Social media is great for groups to form, but there is a ceiling to the success.

You need a dedicated website/forum with people that understand the subject, to get though the ceiling. You get very specific advertisers, organize your own in person meetings.

Re: Reddit Threatens to Remove Moderators from Subreddits Continuing Blackouts

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Post by stalfosknight »

bbor wrote: post #513
TechBro8615 wrote: post #213

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Communist Cuba doesn't have a social network, but they do have a "sneakernet" [0]: > El Paquete Semanal ("The Weekly Package") or El Paquete is a one terabyte collection of digital material distributed since around 2008 on the underground market in Cuba as a substitute for broadband Internet. Since 2015, it has been the primary source of entertainment for millions of Cubans [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_Paquet…

Lol thanks for the reminder TechBro8615. I don't really want to argue about communism being inherently authoritarian on here :) I was just responding to the parent comment, who was (to some extent) dismissing the ancestor: > We formed connections and communities and friendships on sites like Facebook and Twitter and Reddit, but those companies need to make money, so those connections are only allowed to exist as long…

I was not dismissing anyone. I was suggesting that it's not unreasonable for Reddit to want to be a profitable business even though how they're going about it is rather questionable.

There exists a reasonable middle ground somewhere between /u/spez's ridiculous terms and this idea that many seem to have that 3rd party apps and/or users deserve a free ride. You can blame capitalism if you like but I don't believe there is a superior alternative until we reach the point where we have a Star Trek-like post-scarcity economy of some kind.

Re: Reddit Threatens to Remove Moderators from Subreddits Continuing Blackouts

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Post by paulmd »

TechBro8615 wrote: post #213
bbor wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“Is capitalism at fault? No, surely it’s the kids!”

Communist Cuba doesn't have a social network, but they do have a "sneakernet" [0]: > El Paquete Semanal ("The Weekly Package") or El Paquete is a one terabyte collection of digital material distributed since around 2008 on the underground market in Cuba as a substitute for broadband Internet. Since 2015, it has been the primary source of entertainment for millions of Cubans [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_Paquet…

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