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Re: Alphabet selling Google Domains assets to Squarespace

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I'm sad to see this, not b/c I like Google, but because domain names are otherwise a manipulative space, and Google was saving us from that. Domain service - name registry - is a weird market because it includes cross-subsidizing businesses and the information has value (and people will pay for anonymity to avoid hassle), so buy decisions aren't just price/performance. Google and Cloudflare can offer it near cost jus…

I agree Google had trust here and it was nice to have them in the game.

With this infrastructure move especially, it is hard to trust in Google. This can't have been losing money or been that costly. Google why?

Google Domains integrates well with Google Cloud and Google Workspace and other products. Even if it was a loss leader it had to be useful. Tell me how this makes sense.

Re: Alphabet selling Google Domains assets to Squarespace

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Google seems to have bailed on Google Cloud. You should try and find something in the docs these days. When I first started using GAE 10 years ago it really felt like somebody lovingly crafted a nice solution to a complex problem. It's not that anymore.

Given how much effort they’re putting into vertexai I doubt they’re bailing on cloud. I wager it’s just expensive to run a registry. I wouldn’t be surprised if this is what they’re really selling (the TLDs), rather than the registrar.

It appears to be the opposite to me. They appear to be selling the public facing registrar. Their wholesale registry, which appears to hold the TLDs, is Google Registry: https://www.registry.google/

I suspect Google finds it a lot easier to run a registry with a few enterprise clients than to deal with flesh and blood customers owning domains.

Re: Alphabet selling Google Domains assets to Squarespace

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Why dafuq would I care about a bug related to a streaming service I've never even heard of when all I do is play locally stored music files? Incidentally, I still have not come across a suitable replacement for Winamp all these years later. They all have crappy UIs or bring features that I do not want and get in my way.

Fair enough. If you're only playing local files that were obtained from a trustworthy source then you wouldn't be affected. With a complete RCE like that though, I would definitely not advise playing music downloaded from peer-to-peer networks. While I'm not familiar with the exact requirements to exploit the vulnerability, I would err on the side of caution and assume that music files can be crafted that contain mal…

The details are all right there: It's a vulnerability with the in_mp3.dll plugin (it's the decoder for playing MP3s), specifically with insufficient checks against malformed name and artist tags (probably ID3 tags?).

It's fixed in Winamp v5.52 and above, and the version I use is v5.531 so I'm not affected as it turns out.

I'm sure there are other bugs that I'm affected by, but again: Not really concerned about it.

Re: Alphabet selling Google Domains assets to Squarespace

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I guess we know Google isn’t serious about Google Cloud any longer… I feel like this product is table stakes for a cloud. Does this mark a new transition for google leadership? Will google start to sell their unwanted businesses instead of just killing them?

Google Cloud includes a service called Google Cloud Domains. They're really screwing up on communication here, because it's totally unclear if that's included in the sale.

Re: Alphabet selling Google Domains assets to Squarespace

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Google's enterprise-grade DNS is "Google Cloud DNS" [1]. It's not going anywhere. Google Domains is a consumer-grade product, in the sense that it is lacking most of the features (access control, bulk management) that a large company needs, though it was not lacking in stability / availability. And you could easily hook Google Domains up to Google Workspace to light up email for a small business. Feels like a good fi…

DNS is not registrar services. Comparing Google Domains to Google Cloud DNS is like comparing apples and oranges. Though it's true you'll usually want both if you're working with domains OR DNS. _Needing_ to interface with a 3rd party for a critical part of any web app or service feels like a step backward for Google's commitment to Cloud.

There's also Google Cloud Domains. It's entirely unclear if that's also being sold off, but the sale would make a bit more sense if it's not. It's insane how bad Google is at communicating things like this.

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Without a source mentioned, I assume you refer to this[1]? A comparison shows most products that should be dead are on that list. G, on the other hand, has products actively used and loved by users. [1] https://killedbymicrosoft.info/

How many of the products on the Killed by Google list do you think is "products actively used and loved by users"? Like half a dozen on that whole list? How many had you even heard about ? This Domains shutdown definitely qualifies for the short list though, and is the most mystifying shutdown of theirs in like a decade. It was a paid service with clear strategic importance and clearly a ton of happy customers.

Things I am or was actively using (and mostly liked): Inbox, Domains, Reader, Wave, GChat, (Hangouts, but it doesn't fully count), AdSense mobile app, Google+, goog.gl, Play Music (YouTube Music sucks), Buzz, Labs (particularly in Gmail), Google WiFi app (the home app is worse), Picasa, and I can probably find more.

I have stopped using any new Google product, and am slowly phasing out my reliance on their other products.

Re: Alphabet selling Google Domains assets to Squarespace

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They are increasing prices https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36321783 https://www.gandi.net/static/documents/2023-july-usd-renew-p...

I know. Unfortunately, I don't know of anything better than Gandi, which actually has all the TLDs I need. Every registrar out there just has some subset. Having a single point of payment is a big deal for me; if it costs me 50 euros extra a year to not have to deal with three different UIs, logins, accounts etc it's well worth it.

Maybe Netim? https://www.netim.com/en

Re: Alphabet selling Google Domains assets to Squarespace

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At the risk of spamming this thread: Porkbun has been excellent for me.

Care to explain why did you pick porkburn? We have to switch to a different provider since google is sunsetting this product.

Sure, happy to. It's a bit long-winded, though. For context, I'm in the UK and I'm registered as a business.

I was perfectly happy with Gandi until 2016 or so. Political changes in my country made dealing with the EU more complex and potentially more expensive, and I needed to to move my ~100 domain portfolio elsewhere. I originally started looking for a UK domain registrar[1] to keep the UK sales tax (VAT) simple and avoid the credit card fees & arbitrary conversion rate for an overseas transaction. I spent a Saturday or so scouting out options, factoring in:

* purchase and renewal price, with VAT

* overall look and feel of admin panels

* workflow of (and feedback on) transferring domains in and out, and other admin tasks

* how likely the company was to be eaten by another registrar

I've tended to have my web + email stuff split across multiple orgs to reduce instances of single point of failure:

* domains at one registrar, so I can keep track

* DNS at Cloudflare (reliably fastest at DNSPerf), all but one domain is on the the free plan with Cloudflare features disabled (i.e. purely DNS).

* hosting at a build-your-own cloud provider (DigitalOcean and recently Hetzner)

* email at managed provider (Fastmail currently)

Ultimately, UK registrars turned out quite expensive compared to north American registrars, with no clear advantage. Even with the VAT being reclaimable, the sums worked out in favour of looking overseas.

I found Porkbun when I was looking for off-piste domain registrars for a couple of ccTLD domains I had. There's a single .ag which is the most expensive to renew, and comparatively few registrars support it. I ran the numbers on the portfolio of domains for each of the off-piste registrars if I moved all the domains in…and that was expensive.

I told myself I could manage >1 domain registrar if I'm organised, so I re-ran the numbers with a split between the exotic TLDs and the boring ones. I was left with Namecheap & Porkbun for the boring (cheaper) domains. I registered 3x domains at each -- all burners, a ccTLD + a gTLD + their cheapest 99c offering -- and ran some tests. I ignored the SPOF stuff above since these were r&d domains, effectively. The tests included:

* how easy it was to administer via the control panel, including transfers in and out

* testing the support team with a minor, non-documented issue

* how much junk email I'd end up with

* the overall 'feel' of the registrar

Namecheap didn't fare well, sadly. The ccTLD I set up was transferred out (to Porkbun), but remained in the Namecheap control panel. I deliberately chose a .uk domain to test this with, since the process is a little whacky[2]. To their credit, Porkbun handled it seamlessly, exactly as their kb doc explained. Namecheap continued to send my expiry warnings about the domain (which was safe at Porkbun), and a support ticket was not able to have it removed from my account at Namecheap. Minor, granted, but enough to put me off.

Porkbun was mostly better out of the gate. I set up a CAA record on my burner domain (at Porkbun) and it broke DNS completely. I opened a ticket, explained what I'd done, and had a prompt, courteous reply back within a few hours. I'd used the wrong CAA syntax, which clobbered the DNS. When I fixed that, it worked perfectly. This not-in-the-kb support ticket stuff was not planned, but it worked out really well.

I moved all-but-one of my domains to Porkbun. I'd move the .ag domain if they supported it, but they don't yet. The .ag is languishing at Gandi, and there's a support ticket open with them (2 days and counting) to get an auth code to transfer out since it's not shown on the domain control panel, and with their upcoming price changes I'm keen to get that out before the PE folks turn it into a wasteland.

So, Porkbun: it works, they have a good experience that fits my workflow, and they don't have the upselling bullshit that GoDaddy and Namecheap seem to peddle.

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23057987

[2] https://kb.porkbun.com/article/180-how-to-transfer-a-uk-doma...

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