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Reddit is removing moderators that protest by taking their communities private

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Re: Reddit is removing moderators that protest by taking their communities private

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If you don't pay for it, it's not your community. Again and again people think they get something for free, which they don't. If it's free you're a volunteer for the company, if you pay you're a customer.

The thing is though that I _do_ pay for it. I'm a long time paying subscriber to reddit and I think I should be able to use the Reddit Sync app like I have for years. But that's not an option that's on the table.

I should say that I used to be a paying subscriber. Not after this I'm not. Now I'm on lemmy.

Re: Reddit is removing moderators that protest by taking their communities private

#162

This is so sad honestly. Like wtf is going on, no apology, no good will, doubling down on the complete moral suicide of Reddit. To push an app no-one ever liked, you know that, but whatever. No-one likes “new” Reddit either, you know that, but whatever. Who’s even gonna use the site after this? Social media zombie sheeple is all that's going to be left. Congrats on your dumb little site, from the front-page of the In…

They don’t care about the old guard of mostly geeks and techies. With Covid and moments of Twitter/tumblr exodus, Reddit has picked up a ton of users that just want generic social media.

It’s basically just a global slightly more news text-centric TikTok feed. Serving up slop that’s just tasty enough to keep you hooked.

Re: Reddit is removing moderators that protest by taking their communities private

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This is so sad honestly. Like wtf is going on, no apology, no good will, doubling down on the complete moral suicide of Reddit. To push an app no-one ever liked, you know that, but whatever. No-one likes “new” Reddit either, you know that, but whatever. Who’s even gonna use the site after this? Social media zombie sheeple is all that's going to be left. Congrats on your dumb little site, from the front-page of the In…

All they had to do was make showing ads part of the ToS for developing third party apps, to require login for API access, and make only mass scraping require $$$.

Re: Reddit is removing moderators that protest by taking their communities private

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post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Power mods are a real problem on Reddit. It's the same group of people who strong-armed a lot of smaller subreddits into participating in this 'protest'. The end result of this protest looks like it's going to be that Reddit is going to remove a lot of the mods that the community has despised for years. It would seem this mod pity party is backfiring in the most spectacular way possible.

I don't think that's true. r/nba, a top 10 active subreddit at the time of going private, put it to a public vote where the overwhelming majority of the community voted to suspend indefinitely. This was during the NBA finals, mind you. Hard to put that sort of result on a small group of mods.

Selection bias, most casual users are not going to fill out a poll. The only ones who would are those who are likely to support the protest. This is clearly visible when you look at how many total votes there are compared to how many subscribers the subreddit has.

Re: Reddit is removing moderators that protest by taking their communities private

#165

If you don't pay for it, it's not your community. Again and again people think they get something for free, which they don't. If it's free you're a volunteer for the company, if you pay you're a customer.

What kind of communities are you a part of that you pay for? All the best ones that I can think of have never involved money moving around at all--participation makes a community, not money.

It's pretty common in meatspace for communities to have membership fees.

I'm part of a community theatre that charges members $20 per year. The membership fee makes you legally a shareholder in the organisation for that year, with voting rights at an annual election where new management is voted in.

There's usually only 50 or so people who vote (most members can't be bothered), so $20 gets you a substantial amount of influence if you can be bothered.

Last year's management are required to step down before the vote starts, making them regular members with a single vote during the re-election process. Usually it's mostly the same people voted back in, but there's always two or three new faces each year.

Re: Reddit is removing moderators that protest by taking their communities private

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post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The mods in /r/anarchism are selected by voting.

That's amazing and wonderful. The only guys who use a vote are anarchists.

You should read up on anarchism. You're in for a huge surprise there.

Re: Reddit is removing moderators that protest by taking their communities private

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post #109

Smelled this one coming miles away. Next, they'll hand over fan-built communities to the entities that own the IPs they're dedicated to. Eg. r/starwars to Disney, r/startrek to Viacom/Paramount, etc. Then, old.reddit.com will stop working spontaneously, just like how they toyed with killing mobile browser access to force users to download the app, which they probably will eventually. That's going to be the final push…

> Next, they'll hand over fan-built communities to the entities that own the IPs they're dedicated to. Eg. r/starwars to Disney,

This happened on the r/audible subreddit, the official audibledotcom customer service account became a mod and started deleting all the threads remotely critical of audible or amazon. The subreddit revolved and they were removed as a mod but it was a solid 5-months of nary a harsh word.

If they ever kill off old.reddit I'm out, I can't stand the cartoony new reddit design.

Re: Reddit is removing moderators that protest by taking their communities private

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post #109

Smelled this one coming miles away. Next, they'll hand over fan-built communities to the entities that own the IPs they're dedicated to. Eg. r/starwars to Disney, r/startrek to Viacom/Paramount, etc. Then, old.reddit.com will stop working spontaneously, just like how they toyed with killing mobile browser access to force users to download the app, which they probably will eventually. That's going to be the final push…

Any good alternative? I like hacker news for now that it still got some comments worth reading and interesting articles

Lemmy: https://join-lemmy.org/

Re: Reddit is removing moderators that protest by taking their communities private

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post #109

Smelled this one coming miles away. Next, they'll hand over fan-built communities to the entities that own the IPs they're dedicated to. Eg. r/starwars to Disney, r/startrek to Viacom/Paramount, etc. Then, old.reddit.com will stop working spontaneously, just like how they toyed with killing mobile browser access to force users to download the app, which they probably will eventually. That's going to be the final push…

Any good alternative? I like hacker news for now that it still got some comments worth reading and interesting articles

Lemmy is still significantly lower user count but honestly I prefer the community at the moment. Everything feels small and jovial. At least for the 12 comments I've posted thus far. I'm running my own, which makes it easy to federate out to pretty much anything and worry less about overload as I'm not really pushing for users.

Thus far, it's definitely felt like a very viable replacement for reddit for the communities I have found.

Re: Reddit is removing moderators that protest by taking their communities private

#170
Maybe it's this is an overdramatic analogy, but this approach is reminiscent of a standard playbook used by a new tyrant when they come to power: Claim to be acting for the greater good and populace as a whole. Decapitate leadership of existing institutions that resist, install willing collaborators in their places, do this in the name of the good of populace even though it's that "good" that the decapitated were attempting to preserve.

One difference from the above is that the leadership is existing & simply turning tyrant. Otherwise the dynamic in Reddit is not completely dissimilar from that of any society: There are leaders at the top, sure, but the governing of that society-- and much of its value-- is derived from the consensual implicit social contract between those at the top and everyone on every level beneath that.

Can Reddit survive if such actions prevail? Maybe, but other social platform have failed for lesser reasons. And between Reddit and Twitter, there hasn't been a time in more than a decade that could give a rapid acting disruptor such a ready opportunity to sweep in and clear the slate of existing platforms that have lost the plot on what makes them useful and valuable.

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