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Lemmy Instances are already blocking each other

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Re: Lemmy Instances are already blocking each other

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Post by ric2b »

dmix wrote: post #8
recursive wrote: post #3

I don't really know how this all works, but can't I (a hypothetical human) just create a user account on each disconnected sub-graph? Why is this significant?

Imagine your mom emails you and asks why she can't access her favourite subreddit anymore and you have to explain she now has to make 2 different accounts to access different subreddits. I mean 'instances'. I just picture my own trying to wrap her head around "why". It sounds like a minor hurdle to our demographic but most people are super lazy and bad at juggling online authentications. I would never recommend Masto…

Well, if your mom asks you why she can't view a banned subreddit you can only tell her "tough" or "that community went to that other website", so you can say the same here.

But you also have the option of using an instance that didn't ban the community you're interested in, which you don't with reddit.

Re: Lemmy Instances are already blocking each other

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Post by orangepurple »

The reasons for defederating:

    (...) our reason for defederating, by and large, boils down to:

    these two instances’ open registration policy, which is extremely problematic for us given how federation works and how trivial it makes trolling, harassment, and other undesirable behavior;
    the disproportionate number of moderator actions we take against users of these two instances, and the general amount of time we have to dedicate to bad actors on those two instances;
    our need to preserve not only a moderated community but a vibe and general feeling this is actually a safe space for our users to participate in;
    and the reality that fulfilling our ethos is simply not possible when we not only have to account for our own users but have to account for literally tens of thousands of new, completely unvetted users, some of whom explicitly see spaces like this as desirable to troll and disrupt and others of whom simply don’t care about what our instance stands for

Re: Lemmy Instances are already blocking each other

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Post by starkparker »

fariszr wrote: post #2

As if being a federated network wasn't enough of a hurdle for new users, now we have instances blocking each other already. Lemmy has a great chance achieving what mastodon couldn't, because its the community that matters, not specific users, but with instance blocking each other, any hope of creating a community to rival reddit is going to be thrown out the window.

Lemmy, as both a project and community, could start by addressing the problems that make blocking the best option: https://discuss.online/post/12787

Re: Lemmy Instances are already blocking each other

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

Waterluvian wrote: post #19
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #5

Is there simply a lack of intersection between folks who care about UX and those who care about distributed computing? (And haven’t been sucked into web3.)

I think this is rather common for open source, community-driven projects, and not specific to distributed computing.

> this is rather common for open source, community-driven projects

Fair enough. It might be that a community back end and commercial front end are the uptime solution. In the back, people with principles. In the front, someone who actually cares about the people on the other side of the screen.

Re: Lemmy Instances are already blocking each other

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Post by epiccoleman »

jrflowers wrote: post #6
fariszr wrote: post #2

As if being a federated network wasn't enough of a hurdle for new users, now we have instances blocking each other already. Lemmy has a great chance achieving what mastodon couldn't, because its the community that matters, not specific users, but with instance blocking each other, any hope of creating a community to rival reddit is going to be thrown out the window.

> any hope of creating a community to rival reddit is going to be thrown out the window. I haven’t been following lemmy, can you elaborate on this? Isn’t the idea of blocking instances part of the point? Like if I made “GoatseLemmy: Where Every Post Is Goatse” I wouldn’t expect content on it to be available for everyone without any input from admins that pay to run other servers.

Um, hey, sorry but please expect a letter from my lawyer. That's my startup idea.

Re: Lemmy Instances are already blocking each other

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Post by SamoyedFurFluff »

fariszr wrote: post #15
Pet_Ant wrote: post #10

Honestly, isn't that fine ? It means that the community has control and not a singular company. Just important to never let any single instance get as big as a company.

The issue is this instance seems to be the largest, with many established subreddit on it. Now people will have to split between multiple clones on other instances. At least wait for people to settle in first!

I can understand de-federating until people have settled in, earnestly!

Re: Lemmy Instances are already blocking each other

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Post by starkparker »

fariszr wrote: post #20
jrflowers wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> any hope of creating a community to rival reddit is going to be thrown out the window. I haven’t been following lemmy, can you elaborate on this? Isn’t the idea of blocking instances part of the point? Like if I made “GoatseLemmy: Where Every Post Is Goatse” I wouldn’t expect content on it to be available for everyone without any input from admins that pay to run other servers.

Why not? As long as people stick on topic, they should be able to post from other servers, that's the whole point of federation.

It isn't, though.

The point of federation is to have the technical ability to post and follow across compatible servers.

The point is not to require every instance to accept posts and followers from every compatible server. If anything, that's the opposite of the point.

Re: Lemmy Instances are already blocking each other

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Post by fariszr »

TMWNN wrote: post #14
fariszr wrote: post #2

As if being a federated network wasn't enough of a hurdle for new users, now we have instances blocking each other already. Lemmy has a great chance achieving what mastodon couldn't, because its the community that matters, not specific users, but with instance blocking each other, any hope of creating a community to rival reddit is going to be thrown out the window.

> Lemmy has a great chance achieving what mastodon couldn't Why would you expect that? Don't Mastodon instances also routinely block each other?

IMO mastodon failed to replace Twitter because high profiles didn't migrate.

but in Reddits case, you follow an interest instead of a specific person, meaning if enough people are active in the tech community on Lemmy it can replace reddit much faster than mastodon can replace twitter, as it doesn't matter which users migrated.

Re: Lemmy Instances are already blocking each other

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Post by LeoPanthera »

Well, this kills the idea of Lemmy before it even got the chance to be born.

Beehaw is the second largest instance by number of users - and LemmyWorld is the third.

Them defederating from each other effectively shards the network into two halves, making the whole thing useless.

Oh well. It was nice while it lasted.

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