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Reddit Threatens to Remove Moderators from Subreddits Continuing Blackouts

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Re: Reddit Threatens to Remove Moderators from Subreddits Continuing Blackouts

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This reminds me of the Great Digg Migration. If there was ever a time to promote Mastadon, it's now.

> If there was ever a time to promote Mastadon, it's now. Neither Mastodon nor ActivityPup are a real replacement for the use case of Reddit. They serve very different purposes.

I think both support the use cases of browsing, sharing, and discussing content pretty well. They just have different ways of categorizing and moderating content.

Re: Reddit Threatens to Remove Moderators from Subreddits Continuing Blackouts

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post #354

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I would also bet that the majority of Reddit users care more about having an open subreddit than the mods do as well.

Most of these closed subreddits polled their userbase and only participated in the blackout if users heavily favored doing so. If by "majority of users" you mean users that do not contribute any content and only view the site, sure, you may be right. But a content aggregator that is devoid of content doesn't exactly make a great website.

> Most of these closed subreddits polled their userbase and only participated in the blackout if users heavily favored doing so.

The vast minority polled the users, from what I can see. None of the subs I visited that went dark had a poll. I just decided to check some others - /r/funny and /r/gaming because they're listed as some of the biggest subs that went private, /r/askhistorians because people often use it as "the best of Reddit," /r/outoftheloop because I used to visit it. None of them had polls, either.

People keep trying to push the narrative that this was a democratic decision, but every piece of evidence I can find is that most mods did this without consulting the people that use the subs.

Re: Reddit Threatens to Remove Moderators from Subreddits Continuing Blackouts

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For someone kind of out of the loop, can someone explain what they think reddit should do instead of charging for their API access? After all Reddit is a business right? What alternatives do users want reddit to do instead?

Reddit has entirely failed at building their ad business, which every other major social site has done successfully. Reddit makes 1$ per user-month on ads, while Instagram makes $35. If they could even get to $2, they would be profitable. The API access issue is largely a side-show to this core problem. The challenge for this is that targeting on reddit is harder than other sites which have lengthy profiles and inter…

> An elegant solution to this problem would likely involve some product tweaks to incentivize users to tell reddit more about themselves, and a refocus on ad sales.

How much more information do they need? They already take all that info [1]. I'm pretty sure 99% of the official app users did not turn these settings off.

[1] https://i.imgur.com/VpWlCnO.png

Re: Reddit Threatens to Remove Moderators from Subreddits Continuing Blackouts

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Fair points. That being said, I'd value the participants more so than the run-of-the-mill lurker. One creates the content for the lurkers to consume. Reddit makes money on the lurkers, but the NEED the commenters and mods to maintain the website as a whole. A straight count of users does not at all reflect who contributes the most value to the website.

There are a lot of people willing to be moderators, out of their 1 billion monthly active users. The current mods were also once regular users.

If Reddit wants to return to "business as usual" the moderators of the considerable numbers of blacked-out subreddits need to be replaced with a fresh crop of moderators as good or better than the current crop, but who also swear fealty to the administration and are willing to overlook the dire state of the moderation suite.

I don't know about you, but I think the odds of that happening without significant bumps in the road are pretty slim, and are likely going to alienate even more users in the process.

Re: Reddit Threatens to Remove Moderators from Subreddits Continuing Blackouts

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post #47

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> https://kbin.social/m/apple is already thriving There were 2 posts in the last 24 hours. It's not thriving by any measure.

Collectively, Lemmy and kbin instances (which federate with each other) just reached over 125k users or so. I've really enjoyed my time there so far.

I think we need to start referring to Lemmy, Kbin, and presumably the dozen or so other 'ActivityPub with a Reddit-like interface' projects which will inevitably pop up collectively because while they compete the dynamics of that competition are in theory quite different to what you'd expect with centralised platforms as I can interact with communities on Kbin just as well from my 'home' Lemmy instance.

I quite like the term 'Threadiverse' that's been going around lately.

Re: Reddit Threatens to Remove Moderators from Subreddits Continuing Blackouts

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https://kbin.social is a great alternative from what I can see. https://kbin.social/m/apple is already thriving, as is https://kbin.social/m/programming

The concern I have with these federated instances is I don't see how they resolve the long term problems of stability. Content on instances can disappear at a moment's notice if it goes down. My favorite part about reddit is the amount of information it has that is well-indexed by google. These Lemmy and kbin alternatives might fulfill the moment-to-moment chatter, but it worries me that there's no guarantee of conti…

The current paradigm will be a learning experience, and more of an ethereal result than archival. It’ll itch some Snapchat rub. Lots of experimentation and destruction.

Until identity transcends instances (shared identity databases between all the fediverse), communities are portable, and data peered across mirrors/nodes, it won’t work in a way that promotes longevity.

The fediverse in its current incarnation benefits those that use social media more like a chat room than a wiki. But losing your account to the entire fediverse when an instance goes down seems way worse than an unused community disappearing. It’s like taking an email address from an email host that spun up yesterday for fun, and hoping you’ll keep access to it.

Re: Reddit Threatens to Remove Moderators from Subreddits Continuing Blackouts

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Mods have always been told that subreddits are their spaces to operate and that as long as they're not breaking any of the site-wide rules, they are free to do whatever they wish. This is a violation of that trust.

How can anyone sincerely believe that being a user, even a mod, on another platform by a corporate entity lets them have their own space? I mean, of course the company owns everything one does or publishes on said platform. There is no trust because the premise is faulty in the first place. The fact that people actually believed that is not really the problem of the platform, there is always inherent platform risk.

Maybe they shouldn't have extended that much trust to Reddit as the company grew and changed, but that doesn't change the fact that Reddit admins are now lying. I don't really like this carte blanche idea that everyone is going to do bad things, so when you trusted them in the past it was your fault ideology.

Re: Reddit Threatens to Remove Moderators from Subreddits Continuing Blackouts

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Reddit has handled this pretty terribly but I also think people are being unreasonable. This is no different than me creating a third party YouTube client, charging for it and displaying no ads. Why would YouTube allow me to do that? And why should Reddit allow third party apps to do that? Reddit screwed up in the first place allowing third party apps that they have zero control over to build a full frontend replacem…

The problem is reddit hasn't had competent developers in a decade and the market for third party tools exists because in a decade reddit hasn't been capable of providing a useful first party experience.

If old.reddit.com and apps went away I'd leave reddit instantly.

Offering the only competent developers they have a reasonable price isn't unreasonable.

Re: Reddit Threatens to Remove Moderators from Subreddits Continuing Blackouts

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post #341

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I agree. Reddit has behaved very badly, but the kneejerk people demanding a cheaper than opportunity cost API have distanced themselves from sanity. It's one thing to say that one thinks reddit is making a miscalculation against its own financial interests, but it's an extreme form of selfishness to demand that someone else sacrifice earnings to provide perpetual unfettered platform access to things that were put on…

I don't think you understand capitalism. Reddit offers a service for a price, and if I don't like the terms or price I won't use it. That does not make me selfish. Thinking that I'm somehow obligated to pay them is the bizarre take.

You're making up a position that I haven't taken. Maybe you did it on purpose, maybe on accident. Either way, you're arguing against something different than what I said. Nobody is obligated on either side. It's selfish to assert obligation.
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