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Re: Reddit Threatens to Remove Moderators from Subreddits Continuing Blackouts

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hmm...well....I just tried Lemmy (lemmy.world) and it's honestly pretty great. Nice, clean, simple, none of the aggregated cruft reddit has picked up.

I've found quite a few comparable communities to the ones I'm used to and they have decent populations.

I don't know if I quite "get" the fediverse yet other than some theoretics. My mom definitely won't, but she doesn't get reddit either.

Re: Reddit Threatens to Remove Moderators from Subreddits Continuing Blackouts

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post #76

We (the internet community) made such a terrible mistake with social media. We formed connections and communities and friendships on sites like Facebook and Twitter and Reddit, but those companies need to make money, so those connections are only allowed to exist as long as they are part of a profitable system. How awful it is to reduce human connection to that. To think that I am only allowed to maintain certain soc…

Except, the lockout is self imposed. Reddit's "crime" is closing down their API... users just need to use the actual reddit app and they can keep their connection/communities going. It does sucks for the people who've built their livelihood offering 3rd party reddit clients though. Sure it was always a risk. Big tech destroys entire businesses on a regular basis. Doesn't make it a bad choice on their part--the (ameri…

Except the official Reddit app makes it impossible for people with disabilities, or people that want a reasonably well moderated community, or people that just want a usable app.

Enthusiast community that makes up probably 80% of the content on Reddit are going to see other options if they can't use third party apps.

I mean would you continue to use the internet if you could only use AOL?

Anytime your community is dependent on staying on one centurally controlled for-profit app with no alternatives, it's doomed.

Re: Reddit Threatens to Remove Moderators from Subreddits Continuing Blackouts

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post #87

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There are likely hundreds if not thousands of users who would be willing to become mods of each of the subreddits that are still in private mode. I know I would mod some of the subs I find useful.

How do you tell a willing user with the intention to keep a sub running as is, and a willing user who just wants to burn it all down, turn it into their own fiefdom, or worse? What's the ratio of the former to the latter, and does Reddit have the manpower to tell to the difference on a time frame that keeps the subs alive? What's the impact of a bunch of people who know how the sausage is made being essentially coup'…

> a willing user with the intention to keep a sub running as is,

I think it's probably worth splitting this category into two, with one of them being the kind of user who would like to help keep a sub running, but has no idea of what's actually involved or how much time it takes or what a grind it is, and just isn't a good fit for the work involved.

Re: Reddit Threatens to Remove Moderators from Subreddits Continuing Blackouts

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> Reddit wants content and moderation Reddit benefits from content moderation, but reddit didn't make any mods be mods. Mods did that to themselves entirely on their own. > they're not paying shit for it. This is a nonsequitur. Reddit doesn't need to pay anything for the mods to experience compensation. The compensation that the mods get is having the subreddits be moderated in the way they want. It's possible (and u…

> Mods are already compensated by having exactly what they became mods for in the first place, moderated subreddits. Basically. And now that Reddit takes that away from I don't know how many, what motivation or incentives does it leave for both current and future ones? Sense of duty (LOL)?

Reddit didn't take it away from them. They decided to stop. People were moderating subreddits looong before any of these apps were available.

And it's fine that they decided to stop. People have to move on from things eventually when they decide that they no longer feel sufficiently rewarded.

I could likewise not mow your lawn anymore. I don't owe you the mowing any more than you owe me payment for mowing that I did for myself at the time. You might have come to rather enjoy having a mowed lawn, though, so maybe when I stop you'll hire someone else to do it for more than it would have taken to keep me doing it. But that's at most a miscalculation.

Re: Reddit Threatens to Remove Moderators from Subreddits Continuing Blackouts

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> The protest is to make it possible to keep things working. It's bizarre to see the amount of complaining about mods making or breaking a sub and then at the same time the amount of people calling their actions impactless or leading to derelict communities. Which is it? Do users and Reddit need them or do they not? First off, different people have different opinions. Pointing out the apparent hypocrisy of loose grou…

> Many of them will be bad a the job, they can be weeded out over time just like usual. How long would users tolerate that though? > there's a huge crowd of scabs willing to take the job Probably. Though I see few incentives that won't turn perverse ones, especially now that Reddit clearly doesn't want to support mods. So this will last as long as there are communities that haven't been ran into the ground. Those who…

How long would reddit users tolerate bad moderation? Let me see...

> Founded: June 23, 2005

At least 17 years.

Re: Reddit Threatens to Remove Moderators from Subreddits Continuing Blackouts

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It is entirely possible, even likely I would say given how often it has happened, that lots of people think it is easier to build a forum that scales than it is. I can't help but observe that for all of it being "just text and links," we sure do keep converging on monolithic service providers for... Some reason.

> It is entirely possible, even likely I would say given how often it has happened, that lots of people think it is easier to build a forum that scales than it is. I'm an awful programmer and I could build a reddit clone pretty trivially if I really set my mind to it. Then I'd have to figure out how to attract users, how to handle spam and abuse, how to filter content, how to age restrict things, what tools users nee…

And not even a business, the other things you're describing are things you have to solve even if you want to provide the service for free (well, for cost at that point. Because if you're providing media content and hiring people, the whole thing costs you more than labor). And the other things you've described are table stakes... Filtering content and handling abuse in particular, if you get large enough for anybody to care you exist. No government is going to sit idly by and let a service just become the next CSAM haven.

At the end of the day, most people don't want to put the labor in. If they did, we would have seen fediverse take off ages ago.

Re: Reddit Threatens to Remove Moderators from Subreddits Continuing Blackouts

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post #76

We (the internet community) made such a terrible mistake with social media. We formed connections and communities and friendships on sites like Facebook and Twitter and Reddit, but those companies need to make money, so those connections are only allowed to exist as long as they are part of a profitable system. How awful it is to reduce human connection to that. To think that I am only allowed to maintain certain soc…

I question the word "mistake" here, because it puts the burden on us and implies that it could have turned out differently, in that we could have just decided to opt out. When it comes to products that prey on the dopamine system and have network power behind them, it probably couldn't have turned out any differently, short of policy that adjusts the incentives of the people who create these products.

Re: Reddit Threatens to Remove Moderators from Subreddits Continuing Blackouts

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post #263

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That 3% probably consists of a majority of the 1% who post content, and the .1% who moderate content. Without either of those, the site becomes stale and overrun by trash content.

He also claimed most mods don't use 3rd party apps: > Huffman said 97% of Reddit users do not use any third-party apps to browse the site. He said "the vast majority" of moderators also do not rely on third-party apps.

Most mods seem to use the old.reddit.com website, possibly utilizing Mod Toolbox as well. It seems most mods do not use an app for moderating at all.

Re: Reddit Threatens to Remove Moderators from Subreddits Continuing Blackouts

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post #303
post #76

We (the internet community) made such a terrible mistake with social media. We formed connections and communities and friendships on sites like Facebook and Twitter and Reddit, but those companies need to make money, so those connections are only allowed to exist as long as they are part of a profitable system. How awful it is to reduce human connection to that. To think that I am only allowed to maintain certain soc…

You haven't said what the mistake is. Is it a mistake to use socially media because the connections aren't peremmant?

The mistake was to commit to a system where social connections are only maintained / allowed to exist if they are profitable for an intermediary.
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