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North Koreans speak secretly to BBC from inside closed country

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Ah yes, the classic "you aren't currently hanging from the cross, so there's no reason to talk about ways the world could be better" argument. It's so intellectually lazy. Why not say what you actually mean: "I like the way things are, I don't care that other people are mistreated, and I wish everybody would shut up about it already".

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Ah yes, the classic "you aren't currently hanging from the cross, so there's no reason to talk about ways the world could be better" argument. It's so intellectually lazy. Why not say what you actually mean: "I like the way things are, I don't care that other people are mistreated, and I wish everybody would shut up about it already".

I think it reads more like a specific criticism of the term "Systemic". North Korea being a very clear example of what systemic harm looks like, to the point of people starving to death because the societal systems are designed to keep the population in a state of near starvation and desparation.

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> Like most women in North Korea, she is the main earner in the family. The meagre wages men earn in their compulsory state jobs are all but worthless, forcing their wives to find creative ways to make a living.

Really interesting! Economic policies have created a system where women earn much more than men on average. I think that's quite rare globally.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ah yes, the classic "you aren't currently hanging from the cross, so there's no reason to talk about ways the world could be better" argument. It's so intellectually lazy. Why not say what you actually mean: "I like the way things are, I don't care that other people are mistreated, and I wish everybody would shut up about it already".

I think it reads more like a specific criticism of the term "Systemic". North Korea being a very clear example of what systemic harm looks like, to the point of people starving to death because the societal systems are designed to keep the population in a state of near starvation and desparation.

The west will be there soon as inflation and wealth disparity continues to increase

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ah yes, the classic "you aren't currently hanging from the cross, so there's no reason to talk about ways the world could be better" argument. It's so intellectually lazy. Why not say what you actually mean: "I like the way things are, I don't care that other people are mistreated, and I wish everybody would shut up about it already".

I think it reads more like a specific criticism of the term "Systemic". North Korea being a very clear example of what systemic harm looks like, to the point of people starving to death because the societal systems are designed to keep the population in a state of near starvation and desparation.

A bad critique of the term. Systemic harm isn't binary.

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I think when looking back through history, the continued torture of the entire North Korean population is going to be one of the most tragic events of the 21st century. Despite the regime originating earlier, it feels to be most tragic now; long after any maligned geopolitical reason for the regime to exist has since disappeared. It’s something we don’t think about often currently, because it’s almost become a joke. The crazy hermit kingdom. But I really feel like we’ll look back at how we ignored it for so long shamefully. I don’t know what we could be doing though of course. I hope that will become clear soon.

Re: North Koreans speak secretly to BBC from inside closed country

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> Like most women in North Korea, she is the main earner in the family. The meagre wages men earn in their compulsory state jobs are all but worthless, forcing their wives to find creative ways to make a living. Really interesting! Economic policies have created a system where women earn much more than men on average. I think that's quite rare globally.

Can’t tell if this is clever propaganda to put a positive spin on this by using the words “much more”.

They are still starving to death. “Much more” is relative in this case. The men are paid state sponsored wages and it’s not enough to survive on, literally. Women only make more because they are selling black market items to keep their children and families alive, and to keep their neighbors from starving to death, which, as the article says, is not even possible anymore.

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