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Archaeologists find 3000-year-old sword, exceptionally well preserved

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Re: Archaeologists find 3000-year-old sword, exceptionally well preserved

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Post by dcow »

anigbrowl wrote: post #71
coldpie wrote: post #42

It blows my mind that these godawful cookie banners is where we ended up. Web devs, you clowns need get your shit together. No, the law doesn't require you to do this. Go back to the drawing board and do better.

I find it absurd that you complain about the cookie banner while ignoring the absolute trash advertising on the actual page (which appears even though I am running an adblocker). I like cookie banners, I get to set my preferences and if a website serially abuses them they don't have the excuse that I consented by surfing to the page or something. If they really engage in abuse, I can take part in legal action. Meanwh…

This isn't a cookie banner. It's a full page blocking modal FFS. Way to conveniently argue past the point.

Re: Archaeologists find 3000-year-old sword, exceptionally well preserved

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Post by pessimizer »

jahnu wrote: post #59
coldpie wrote: post #42

It blows my mind that these godawful cookie banners is where we ended up. Web devs, you clowns need get your shit together. No, the law doesn't require you to do this. Go back to the drawing board and do better.

In this case it’s not just a legally required tracking consent question. It’s saying either accept tracking if you want to read for free or subscribe and then there is no tracking.

> subscribe and then there is no tracking.

Is that what they're saying? Because that must be a lie. It's probably more that if you're subscribed and log in, they don't have to ask to set a cookie.

Re: Archaeologists find 3000-year-old sword, exceptionally well preserved

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Post by Archelaos »

zulban wrote: post #63
Archelaos wrote: post #18

The article is somewhat sensationalistic. Finding an octagonal type bronze sword ("Achtkantschwert" in German) from that period is rare, but we have quite a couple of them. Since bronze does not rust, the conditions of such swords are often quite good (and typically far better than that of medieval iron swords, for instance). Here is a map of the distribution of octagonal-hilted swords in Europe: https://www.research…

>somewhat sensationalistic What a cynical comment. The title doesn't even say rare, and there's only a few dozen found in "all of Europe", ever. What could possibly be seen as sensationalist here? Thanks for your excellent sources, however. I know it's trendy to say sensationalist, and it's often true. Just seems like a lazy thing to write in this case.

> What could possibly be seen as sensationalist here?

I wrote "somewhat" on purpose, meaning something in the middle between "really sensationalistic" and "quite interesting". The sensationalist aspect of the article is that it gives the uninformed reader the impression that it is something like the find of the year, which it really isn't. Yes, it is a nice find and well-preserved, but in the end, everything is rare if one only narrows down the area enough. Instead, the author should have informed the reader that bronze swords are often quite well-preserved and why this is the case, and that "rare" does not mean "one or two others", but "about 200 others of this specific type and thousands of others considering all types".

Re: Archaeologists find 3000-year-old sword, exceptionally well preserved

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Post by EVa5I7bHFq9mnYK »

automatic6131 wrote: post #17

What stands out to me is the pommel with the large handhold. That makes me think that it's a slashing sword, not a stabbing one. Then there's the fact that it's all metal, unlike how most ancient and medieval swords which were made with an handle of organic material around the tang of the blade. Probably not intended (ever) for use in fighting? Since it doesn't have a replacable handle.

A pommel is supposed to be small, this one is so large and protruding, how do you even slash or stab with this thing? The only thing this seems good for is for beating your opponent on the head with its handle.

Re: Archaeologists find 3000-year-old sword, exceptionally well preserved

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Post by ChuckMcM »

I collect swords, and this is a nice example. When researching swords from the medieval period I found this technique of starting with an octagonal "bar" of stock material and then using a hammer to shape the blade while leaving a round segment for the handle to be interesting. It makes sense of course, although it can make for an uncomfortable handle (hence the wrapped handles in more modern swords.)

Re: Archaeologists find 3000-year-old sword, exceptionally well preserved

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Post by spaceman_2020 »

beloch wrote: post #21
lordleft wrote: post #12

It's funny to think that the fantasy/speculative fiction trope of "precursor civilization that has advanced tech" was probably grounded in the historical memory of people happening upon ruins, weapons and artifacts of extraordinary craftsmanship.

Such myths are likely based on classical Rome rather than bronze age discoveries. For several centuries after the Western empire fell apart, Europeans lacked the capability to build settlements or structures anywhere close to the size typical of classical Roman civilization. Populations were depressed by pestilence, social order had declined, and most Europeans were within a short distance from a former Roman settlem…

My YouTube feed has been (pleasantly) taken over by ancient Rome videos where historians and archaeologists cover how various Roman inventions and buildings worked.

I don't think people realize how far ahead of everyone else Rome was at that time.

Like most people know that Rome had aqueducts bringing in water to the city, but they probably don't know that water was supplied to different buildings directly, and you could pay to get a line installed straight to your house. Running water in your house, 2000 years ago!

Re: Archaeologists find 3000-year-old sword, exceptionally well preserved

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Post by coldpie »

kokanee wrote: post #47
coldpie wrote: post #42

It blows my mind that these godawful cookie banners is where we ended up. Web devs, you clowns need get your shit together. No, the law doesn't require you to do this. Go back to the drawing board and do better.

Agree with the sentiment, disagree with the assignment of blame. Blame legal, marketing, design, or PM. No web dev decided this was how they wanted to spend a day.

I don't mean the individual developers. I mean the industry. Y'all need to spin up a working group or something and figure it out. This is getting completely insane.

Re: Archaeologists find 3000-year-old sword, exceptionally well preserved

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Post by spaceman_2020 »

automatic6131 wrote: post #15
lordleft wrote: post #12

It's funny to think that the fantasy/speculative fiction trope of "precursor civilization that has advanced tech" was probably grounded in the historical memory of people happening upon ruins, weapons and artifacts of extraordinary craftsmanship.

I think it might be a general bias in the human psyche. When you're born, you're utterly dependent on the gods that are your parents (and extended village, to a greater or lesser extent) and this has selected for a bias in the human brain that expresses itself as "older people good, oldest people better". I base this only on finding the trope of "precursor civilisation/society with the best tech" in literature from a…

Before written text and easy access to books and knowledge, you also relied on the experience and skills of older people to learn and make your way in the world.

Re: Archaeologists find 3000-year-old sword, exceptionally well preserved

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Post by rkagerer »

pessimizer wrote: post #80
ryandrake wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To be fair, the web developers are the ones actually typing in the code and deploying it. They must share at least partial blame. This whole "Don't blame me! Boss told me to do it" attitude is rampant in software.

Pretty easy to say, but if someone is going to quit their job because they think the cookie banner they've been ordered to program will annoy people, they're either absurdly privileged or comically stupid.

I would never work someplace that promoted hostility to their users. I am neither privileged or stupid.

Re: Archaeologists find 3000-year-old sword, exceptionally well preserved

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Post by lalos »

civilitty wrote: post #58
dabluecaboose wrote: post #36

>A man, a woman and a youth were buried in it. It is still unclear what relationship the people may have had to one another. Yeah, real puzzler that one

The woman and child were clearly put there for ceremonial purposes.

Vikings used to that - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norse_funeral as described by Ahmad ibn Fadlan
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