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Re: /r/startrek/ migrates to lemmy

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Post by pndy »

incomingpain wrote: post #41

I got banned from there because I didn't like Discovery. You have a top secret ultra elite experimental ship with a spore drive... with what? Something something tardigrades? But then your crew is a criminal, cadet Tilly?, everyone is unstable/untrustworthy, and a rather high concentration of LGBT people? But you get banned for pointing this out.

While I was not banned, r/startrek felt for some time like its main purpose was to serve as marketing tool for Paramount and I wouldn't be surprised if mods got paid to keep some "standards" within the sub. The r/deepspacenine was more like a regular user-driven community.

Re: /r/startrek/ migrates to lemmy

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Post by unshavedyak »

BizarroLand wrote: post #118
unshavedyak wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yea, there's definitely advantages to everyone being on Facebook. Many of us are focusing on the disadvantages of a single platform ruling all communities, though. Software wise (Lemmy/Kbin/etc), it's definitely not for the faint of heart currently but that will improve in time. For me though the biggest thing is "One platform to rule them all" is not viable. It will have issues, users will suffer, and this isn't som…

I think we need a federated facebook replacement and a federated image server, but I don't know how to go about building this myself.

Disclaimer: I know next to nothing about ActivityPub. I'm in the process of learning it now for some software i'm writing, but take everything i say with a lethal dose of salt.

I'm venturing into ActivityPub myself, though focused on UX of link Aggs, mostly. One issue i've seen so far with Mastodon/etc, is that AP works decently for cheap stuff, but expensive stuff like Images and Video still have significant cost. I believe with Mastodon it's all hosted from the source location. Ie you run `tinymastoinstance.com` and one of your "Toots" with videos/images goes viral in federated instances, i think pretty much everyone is pulling the image from your instance. Not sure how much they try to federate the heavy stuff.

Hypothetically they can of course.. but i'm just not sure what the AP spec says about that. It's of significant concern to me, though, since i'm wanting to build software for micro-AP instances and hotlinking files on a micro instance will almost assuredly burn the instance down.

Facebook on the otherhand though, seems totally viable. Identity duplication is probably the biggest issue AP has with a more identify focused application like Facebook. Notably as i learned the other day there's nothing in the AP spec for persisting identities across instances. No private key you can reuse on new instances to identify yourself as the same user, etc.

Re: /r/startrek/ migrates to lemmy

#123

Post by asciimov »

fsflover wrote: post #106
asciimov wrote: post #104

I'm torn on /r/startrek moving. On the one hand, I have had lots of good constructive talks with people there over the years. On the other hand, I don't want to follow those mods over to lemmy. Over the last few years they have gotten heavy handed with the temp-bans for anyone that doesn't fall in line with their excessively positive views of Trek. Which has not only resulted in some quality conversation being comple…

Do you expect that new /r/startrek mods will behave better?

No. /r/startrek/ passed a critical mass of users necessitating a certain heavy handedness to the moderation. While I might not like it, I do understand the need.

Re: /r/startrek/ migrates to lemmy

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Post by incomingpain »

pndy wrote: post #121
incomingpain wrote: post #41

I got banned from there because I didn't like Discovery. You have a top secret ultra elite experimental ship with a spore drive... with what? Something something tardigrades? But then your crew is a criminal, cadet Tilly?, everyone is unstable/untrustworthy, and a rather high concentration of LGBT people? But you get banned for pointing this out.

While I was not banned, r/startrek felt for some time like its main purpose was to serve as marketing tool for Paramount and I wouldn't be surprised if mods got paid to keep some "standards" within the sub. The r/deepspacenine was more like a regular user-driven community.

I was never a regular, but I would concur with you here. It's practically the only notable subreddit I ever got banned from and it's hardly a controversial opinion. I felt like I never actually broke any rules.

Re: /r/startrek/ migrates to lemmy

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Post by ahahahahah »

Zetice wrote: post #74

No, the members of /r/startrek are vowing to not use Reddit anymore. /r/startrek will be considered abandoned and given to anyone who asks for it. Reddit will take it away from these mods and I don't blame them. Maybe nobody will use it, but some people probably will, people who don't give a shit about stupid Internet wars and just want to read about and discuss things Star Trek. ...which, believe it or not, is most…

> the members of /r/startrek are vowing to not use Reddit anymore

Oh, I don't see evidence of that. At best this looks like the *mods* of /r/startrek are making that vow.

Re: /r/startrek/ migrates to lemmy

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Post by samtho »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #36
samtho wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

After burning the current one, books and all. Granted this had to do with the fact that unlike any other agreed upon standard protocol, Reddit posts are not accessible except by indirect means, i.e. you can’t download the contents of a community the same way you would with a git repository or an email server and migrate it elsewhere.

If you can enumerate all of the threads in a subreddit, each thread is a blob of JSON when you tack `.json` on to the end. Tangentially, https://old.reddit.com/r/DataHoarder/comments/12ucc9z/downlo... and https://old.reddit.com/r/redditdev/comments/c93rdt/how_do_i_... A sibling comment mentions ArchiveTeam, which ends up in the Wayback Machine. Some work to be done around tools to make that corpus more readily availa…

Crawling is indirect. This isn’t a protocol like IMAP where each object exists inherently as specified by the protocol. The idea of a “thread” or “user” does not exist in HTTP, only “documents” do. Everything at this layer is made up by (and at the disposal of) the operator and is not standardized.

Re: /r/startrek/ migrates to lemmy

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Post by antisthenes »

trostaft wrote: post #49

There was a brief period where the internet was shockingly stable. However, 'creative destruction' and churn is inevitable as the whole world continues to desire a better internet. If reddit cannot productively use this to come out with a better product and commitment to its community, hence destroy the bad within itself, it should fall apart in favor of new services. I spent a decade+ actively on reddit, and I truly…

> There was a brief period where the internet was shockingly stable. However, 'creative destruction' and churn is inevitable as the whole world continues to desire a better internet.

It's not at all evident the world actually desires a better internet.

Even without corporate involvement, it's extremely obvious that a subreddit's size is inversely proportionate to the quality of its content and discourse (with perhaps extremely rare exceptions)

In other words, when the "normies" start flooding something, the value of that takes a nosedive, because experts don't want to fight another battle on top of the battle of producing good content (which is hard enough by itself).

> I spent a decade+ actively on reddit

I've spent roughly ~5-6 active years, but then the combination of censorship and nosedive in quality of discourse that started ~2015, made me lose all interest in actively participating.

Re: /r/startrek/ migrates to lemmy

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Post by gingerrr »

alyandon wrote: post #44

Tangentially related, is there any way for me as an end user to make Lemmy look more like old compact layout reddit instead of a clone of the new reddit layout with all the wasted whitespace? Edit: Currently, on my 1900x1200 monitor I can see ALMOST 6 posts on the default landing page.

Should ask this person: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36331276

Re: /r/startrek/ migrates to lemmy

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Post by Barrin92 »

tapoxi wrote: post #84
BizarreByte wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seriously though, it's absurd that such a small group of incredibly privileged users (mods) get to speak for the majority and make decisions for them. Reddit should be removing these mods, adding new ones, and reopening subs. Mods shouldn't get to hold entire communities hostage when they throw a tantrum. Anyone can moderate a subreddit, these mods aren't special and they're completely replaceable. They should be rem…

Typically the users are voting in favor of this. Also mods aren't as replaceable as you think - who wants to work for Reddit for free while being treated as disposable?

>who wants to work for Reddit for free while being treated as disposable?

Any 'big fish in a small pond' personality type who gets a kick out of exercising what little power they have. There is generally no shortage of people signing up for that position

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