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Bay Area woman is on a crusade to prove Yelp reviews can’t be trusted

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Internet search in general has severely declined in 2023. I was trying to figure out the syntax for putting a URL in slack the other day and couldn't find a proper article anywhere in the top 10 results. I think they are trying to integrate their bard UI into search and it is killing the results. At this point, I use google to search reddit in order to find organic results. Unfortunately, that will probably be taken…

YouTube is also horrible these days. They made it so for any event or happening, only "official" sources show up so they can add "context" to the narrative. It's dystopian, but possibly worse: annoying. I can't find out what I nees to, when I need to. Thanks Google.

Or they outright silence smaller news organizations that broadcast popular, although controversial, figures who fall under a certain political affiliation.

I'm grateful for places like Rumble and Twitter, where real news can be found. :)

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Google Maps is terrible for hiding results. I'll use the filter to show restaurants with a 4.5+ star rating, and it hides dozens of places 4.5+ stars while instead showing results 4.0 - 4.4 stars and even some that have no reviews at all. I find the arrogance insulting. You want to see 4.5+ star Japanese food restaurants? Well, I don't think that's best for you, and I'm going to replace some of those results with 4.1…

Google maps is also terrible at showing _only_ relevant info. I searched for “coffee” in a small area earlier today (small because I wanted to walk); it zoomed out to a much larger area and showed me coffee shops along with taquerias, oil change shops, banks, etc. both in the results pane and scattered all over the map. It was such a mess as to be unusable.

But sir, that oil change shop offers cheap-ass coffee to its loyal customers and someone told Google Maps to tag that location with "Coffee".

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An Apple Maps review system that tied in with Apple Pay and could weight based on visits, etc would be wonderful.

Do they open up that purchase data at all? Seems answer is no The other option is using a bank api but seems too much friction..

DoorDash shows popular items purchased from restaurants along with ratings for each item, plus some form of recency for purchases like "Ordered recently by 20+ others", even down to the options / toppings selected for an item.

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Seeing the 'Moving company from Florida' triggered me. I was scammed by a moving company from Florida in 2020, and I did a deep dive to look into them and I found huge networks of moving companies, scammers, & reviewers, all in cahoots. I actually managed to get one company's fake reviews removed from google maps, bringing them from a 4.8+ to a 1.x overnight. Within a few months they were back to > 4, but the owners…

Yeah, I feel like Yelp et al chiefly facilitate fraud at this point.

Any silicon valley middle-man venture is a fraud/scam engine.

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This has been known for like 10 years now. I can't believe anyone actually still uses or trusts Yelp reviews. There were lawsuits in the early 2010s over trying to reveal the identity of negative reviewers because so many restaurants were claiming they were fake/extortion.

Known to whom? You might be a sophisticated consumer but go hang out at the DMV and ask yourself how many of your fellow countrymen would really question yelp reviews.

This. The only thing left to do is create your own scam.

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Google Maps is terrible for hiding results. I'll use the filter to show restaurants with a 4.5+ star rating, and it hides dozens of places 4.5+ stars while instead showing results 4.0 - 4.4 stars and even some that have no reviews at all. I find the arrogance insulting. You want to see 4.5+ star Japanese food restaurants? Well, I don't think that's best for you, and I'm going to replace some of those results with 4.1…

I despise Google Maps for this. I can know that a restaurant exists, zoom in on its block, search 'restaurants' -- nothing. It'll zoom out the map and show other stuff. Worse, I can max my zoom and hunt for it on the map and it will outright show a blank space. Only searching for the restaurant's actual name will bring it up. But there's not really any alternative. Apple Maps can't show me things because it's missing…

Organic Maps is very good at showing where 'restaurants' are. It's just not very good at showing their hours or including links to their web site or menu.

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Good for her. Yelp's business model seems to work best if they can pick winners, which is unfortunate. If I search for "dinner" on Yelp for "current location" and look at the map, it leaves out an astonishing number of places that I can see within a mile if I drive down the street. And if your business model is centered around hiding all but the winners - who might pay for placement + reviews both - then you have to…

> Yelp's business model seems to work best if they can pick winners, People must have read a different article than I did. This woman is finding tons of third-parties that are either posting fake positive reviews for money, or extorting businesses by writing bad reviews and offering to reverse them for money. She's looking for people who are trying to scam Yelp, or trying to scam businesses through Yelp. But HN seems…

The article makes it pretty clear that the villian is Yelp (and Google Reviews, and Trustpilot etc). It's no different than any other social media moral hazard: Yelp makes money in spite of their being fraudulent reviews, and won't make the investment in cleaning it up.

> Dean said [Yelp's] notices validate her work, but also perfectly exemplify what she calls Yelp’s “whack-a-mole” approach ... she showed SFGATE several sketchy posts that she hasn’t mentioned in her videos — and which are still up and active.

> “I find it annoying, like, ‘You need me?’” she said. “... They’re a billion-dollar tech company that’s got teams of engineers and a trust and safety team.”

> ... Yelp said its automated recommendation software checked the 21 million reviews submitted last year for “quality, reliability and user activity” and had filed 75% into the “recommended” category, which are the reviews that figure most prominently on businesses’ pages and affect their star ratings. Of the remaining 25%, just 4% were removed by Yelp’s own moderators, 2% were removed by the reviewers themselves, and 19% were categorized as “not recommended reviews” — which don’t affect companies’ star ratings but are still accessible on businesses’ Yelp pages.

> In Dean’s mind, it’s not enough. She feels Yelp should better use account data to proactively identify problematic users and ban them altogether, and speculates that Yelp might be avoiding a crackdown on fake reviews because the positive boosts to businesses’ ratings might increase Yelp’s value to those businesses.

Given that this kind of problem is rampant across social media (where the platform is incentivized to promote horrible things, as we've seen with Meta, Insta, etc etc), it probably should be criminal if we ever want to erase this scourge. As the article shows, _businesses can't opt out from Yelp_ -- which is a pretty horrible state of affairs.

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Serious question: is Yelp still relevant? I feel like outside of select metro areas it’s not useful at all with very dated content.

I personally prefer more objective signals like the menu, pictures of the food, and pictures of the interior. Maybe I’m a snob but foods that people describe as “delicious” and “amazing” to me look greasy, salty, or altogether not much better than I could cook myself with basic cooking skills.

With the average palette you just need to sprinkle the right amount of salt and sugar to get "yummy" reviews. These people can't cook, barely know where food comes from, and have no way to judge food other than it being sweet (good) or not sweet (bad).

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Who thinks that these reviews can be trusted? When I read Yelp reviews, I look for the absence of negative, not presence of positive.

Perhaps you could just scrape yelp and use machine learning to show the patterns?

Re: Bay Area woman is on a crusade to prove Yelp reviews can’t be trusted

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what? I like them. I don't get this automatic assumption that everyone is a hypocrite and no one is willing to face accusations of doing things wrong in their own life. I mean, is that how you operate? That's not how I do things. If I'm doing something wrong I love finding out about it - otherwise, how will I eve do things right? if your goal for relationships with other people is to prevent them from discovering dir…

> If I'm doing something wrong I love finding out about it - otherwise, how will I eve do things right? We're talking about a few different things-- most of what I said applies to employer/employee relationships. If you hire a known whistleblower, you better make sure there are no skeletons in your closet because they've already proven what they're willing to do with such information. > if your goal for relationships…

okay but whistleblowing is good - I still don't get why you keep harping on this idea that if they revealed something secret about someone else, they'll reveal something secret about you, like - what kind of threat is that supposed to be?

again, I feel like this is you projecting - what are you hiding, anyway?

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