This is the most “that didn’t happen” story I’ve seen in a while. No way the concerned family responded positively to the doctor reading a script to them off a clipboard, forgot about it, and then responded positively to other nurses/doctors reading the same script to them again.
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#32Will there be a Dr House (is there a more current TV doctor) video version which the family can interact with which would make them feel like they are getting the best care in the world from a famous doctor? But also, if ChatGPT has a 50% chance of giving the wrong diagnosis, can you trust it more than 50% to give the correct reasoning to the family as to the activity of the medical staff?
> if ChatGPT has a 50% chance of giving the wrong diagnosis It depends on the average chance of the doctor giving the wrong diagnosies (I honestly have no idea?!)
There are different figures, partly as a result of how this question is studied. The Mayo Clinic did a famous study on people who sought a second opinion, and they found that something like 12% of people seeking that second opinion were correctly diagnosed. Obviously this isn't a fair sample since this is not only people seeking a second opinion, but one from a prestigious source.
This narrative review discusses the issue from a global perspective, concluding that most people will experience at least one misdiagnosis. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5502242/
Article on Mayo study, with link to study: https://newsnetwork.mayoclinic.org/discussion/mayo-clinic-re...
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#33Kind of fascinating that the benefit here is not so much artificial intelligence as artificial empathy.
All cynicism aside, there's vastly more in the collective writings of humans on empathy than medicine.
See my sibling comment just posted, I don't belive that's relevant. You can always screw up facts, it's a high bar. A loosely constrained example of an empathetic speech much easier. Despite the fact that medicine deals in facts (and this would hold true for an even more black and white discipline) so all you need in principle to learn from are a few examples, while empathy is much more subtle and would require a representation to be learned from many varied examples.
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#34> Satisfying HIPAA rules around patient privacy alone may take many years, or decades, to resolve themselves before we could even contemplate directly using programs like ChatGPT in a medical theater. This is easily solved by not using someone else's API. Here's $500 worth of hardware you can get on ebay running Vicuna-13B, locally: > IV fluids may not be the best treatment for someone with severe pulmonary edema and…
How much time does this take to get produced locally?
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#35This is the most “that didn’t happen” story I’ve seen in a while. No way the concerned family responded positively to the doctor reading a script to them off a clipboard, forgot about it, and then responded positively to other nurses/doctors reading the same script to them again.
My wife works in cardiac and sees similarly confused patients and elderly family members.
Have you tried to have conversations with people experiencing dementia?
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#37Earlier quoted context omitted.
All cynicism aside, there's vastly more in the collective writings of humans on empathy than medicine.
See my sibling comment just posted, I don't belive that's relevant. You can always screw up facts, it's a high bar. A loosely constrained example of an empathetic speech much easier. Despite the fact that medicine deals in facts (and this would hold true for an even more black and white discipline) so all you need in principle to learn from are a few examples, while empathy is much more subtle and would require a rep…
> the fact that medicine deals in facts
medicine benefits from facts, but is largely based on experienced, expert opinion
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#38Who is surprised that in a match between a doctor's bedside manner and a machine's that a machine wins?
The cold metal of a machine is nothing next to the coldness of a doctor's heart! ;)
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#39This is the most “that didn’t happen” story I’ve seen in a while. No way the concerned family responded positively to the doctor reading a script to them off a clipboard, forgot about it, and then responded positively to other nurses/doctors reading the same script to them again.
My wife works in cardiac and sees similarly confused patients and elderly family members. Have you tried to have conversations with people experiencing dementia?
Yes, it is unfortunate and difficult and I did not realize reading a prepared script off a clipboard would have helped me get my point across better. I could only see it causing them to view me as stonewalling them or cause them further confusion.
I may have to try this for myself though, I am not a doctor and I haven’t tried it before.
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