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First people sickened by Covid-19 were scientists at WIV: US government sources

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Post by jedmeyers »

twoWhlsGud wrote: post #143
jedmeyers wrote: post #119

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> because the original strain was unnatural, later strains would be less problematic as the virus reverted to its true (less problematic) nature Is it possible for someone to speed up this process in a lab somewhere, like South Africa, and release the less problematic version to the public to achieve the herd immunity quicker?

I doubt it. However, luckily for us someone has already invented called a vaccine that is far safer and plays a similar role in achieving herd immunity ; )

Which vaccine specifically provided the "immunity"?

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Post by [deleted] »

hwillis wrote: post #159
quad_eye_oh wrote: post #127

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I haven't looked at where Ben Hu's lab is, but epidemiological distance in urban areas doesn't necessarily follow map distance. In particular, proximity to a shared subway or bus line can be more important than physical proximity, since many commuters will put up with longer travel times if they can tune out, and a packed rush hour subway car is a great place for the spread of airborne infectious diseases. (In US cit…

The CDC is smack in the center of the city (on the other side of the river). The WIV is way outside the urban area, past a very large industrial park. The distribution of cases also strongly contradicts you: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9348750/figure/... Cases were roundly distributed, not along any particular artery. Note that the WIV is not even close to being in frame there- that's how much farthe…

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Post by lancewiggs »

inetknght wrote: post #91
notjulianjaynes wrote: post #84

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Slightly off topic, but thanks to your first link I was just doing some satellite image sightseeing of Wuhan and noticed that on Google maps the streets are offset about 3 blocks east of where they should be. It's fairly obvious here [1] where the curved road extends out into a lake. Not saying this means anything, just found it amusing. 1. https://maps.app.goo.gl/reVDkMAhfMRbv1uJ8

It's fairly well-known [0] that China messes with maps data and forces Google to do so. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Restrictions_on_geographic_dat...

It's fine on Apple Maps.

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Post by letmevoteplease »

mort96 wrote: post #124
mlyle wrote: post #38

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Yes. We don't have swabs that we can perform PCR on. On the other hand, this report, if true: - Sickened about a month before COVID-19 was formally detected - In close proximity to where COVID-19 was formally detected - While doing research on gain of function in coronaviruses. This is strongly suggestive circumstantial evidence.

It's much less impressive when you add: - with symptoms associated with common seasonal illness Not saying it wasn't COVID-19. Just saying that claiming it was is a bit of a stretch.

The symptoms reportedly included loss of smell and "ground glass opacities" in the lungs.[1] That's not necessarily COVID, either, but a few too many coincidences for me.

[1] https://hotair.com/john-s-2/2021/08/23/josh-rogin-the-sick-r...

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Post by ipqk »

kneel wrote: post #170
muglug wrote: post #77

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His reporting on the twitter files has been great, the msnbc attack interview isn't really revealing anything. It's just hackery.

So great and compelling that Musk shadowbanned them on Twitter after the two got in a little squabble. Yeah...

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Post by richbell »

whatwhaaaaat wrote: post #235
richbell wrote: post #203

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> The twitter files gave proof governments have been using social media to censor legal speech paid for by the tax payer. Source?

Are you looking for cnn, msnbc, fox, or one of the other media corporations fueled by pharma alone to write an editorial telling you why something is true? Go read the damn twitter files. That is the source. Are you questioning the veracity of the data given in the twitter files? Because even the executive branch didn’t do that.

> Are you looking for cnn, msnbc, fox, or one of the other media corporations fueled by pharma alone to write an editorial telling you why something is true?

I am looking for specific evidence that substantiates the claim that was made. "Go read the damn Twitter files" is not evidence anymore than "Google it".

> Are you questioning the veracity of the data given in the twitter files? Because even the executive branch didn’t do that.

This means nothing to me, because you have not provided any supporting evidence for your claims.

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Post by INTPenis »

hwillis wrote: post #16

Note that this is NOT the Wuhan CDC, which is the building across the river from the wet market. They did not do any research there. This building is ~10 miles south, well outside the main city. https://geohack.toolforge.org/geohack.php?pagename=Wuhan_Ins... The fact that researchers were sick with flu-like symptoms has been openly stated by the US for a long time. This was put out in the state department Jan 2021, 2…

>became sick in autumn 2019, before the first identified case of the outbreak, with symptoms consistent with both COVID-19 and common seasonal illnesses

I was in Thailand in february 2019 and came down with SARS-like symptoms that were very similar to Covid-19 once that became known.

SARS-like viruses have been going around for a while, meaning they affect the respiratory system. Doesn't mean it was covid-19, what even differentiates SARS from covid-19? I have no idea, I'm just a layman who happened to get sick.

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Post by taeric »

ipqk wrote: post #239
swang wrote: post #223

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a close family member swore they got covid at CES 2020. they went to vegas and came back real sick for a couple of days. i remember in 2020 or so they were also talking about covid being in the sewage in some european city (i think in italy? and/or spain?) but my assumption was they were detecting things that were also common in other influenza strains.

I know a bunch of NYCers that swore they got covid in Jan 2020, but it's both mathematically impossible for all of them to have had it based on the circulating numbers at the time, and then when they actually got Covid in the coming months/years they changed their tune.

Oddly, I assumed I had it early in the waves. Never got a positive test, as folks weren't testing back then. Finally had our first positive test this year. And whatever I had at the start was way way worse than when I had covid. Such that I can understand a lot of folks being very confused on all of this.

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Post by stainablesteel »

throwaway5752 wrote: post #156
stainablesteel wrote: post #146

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> It misleading presents that the furin cleavage site had to come from gain of function it did. this isn't debatable anymore. there's literally grants written by american scientists proposing this pre-covid, the lab in wuhan was doing the legwork.

They are also already present in wild coronoviruses and the initial cluster don't support a lab leak theory, even if they were sloppily working on gain of function via that mechanism. https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2211107119 "Harrison and Sachs’s (1) claim that alignment of sarbecovirus Spike amino acid sequences illustrates“the unusual nature of the [SARS-CoV-2] FCS” is misleading. FCSs are common in coronav…

> Your claim is debatable on its own

there is literally a grant written by an american scientist who sent money for that exact research to that exact lab. a literal paper trail as a grant, and a paper trail in funds.

no amount of text wall can deflect this.

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Post by [deleted] »

MarkMarine wrote: post #72

It's pretty incredible to see the US Government shift around these conflicting narratives, moving toward (apparently 3 letter agency by agency) this lab leak origin. Especially considering the vilification of anyone (including the president at the time) for saying things that were in this vein. I think they owe us a complete release of the data they have and an actual assessment, from the government, explained by the…

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