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First people sickened by Covid-19 were scientists at WIV: US government sources

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Twitter's own legal team has categorically said that the "Twitter Files" show no such thing. https://edition.cnn.com/2023/06/06/tech/twitter-files-lawyer... The COVID vaccine reduce transmission, as demonstrated by the analysis of infections in prisons. COVID causes far more heart complications than the COVID. COVID totally has caracteristic found in nature; see SARS epidemic in 2003, or MERS.

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That doesn't track with their sentiment at all? "Our national and global conversation would have been dramatically different" is not the same as "many fewer people would have died".

Any response to your question is hypothetical at this point (disclaimer) so here's my hypothetical explanation of how conversation would have led to less deaths: A lot of people believed the lab leak "consipracy theory", but Fauci and company were so adamant to contradict the "conspiracy theorists" that it practically destroyed those people's willingness to heed any of the CDC directives. Of course I can only say ane…

Certainly, a weird coincidence that many of the people worried about it being a lab leak early on, also had downplayed it and practice little caution to avoid getting it.

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It is peculiar how all of these recent "conspiracy theories" as named by corporate media eventually turn out to be true.

It is peculiar that not many of these conspiracy theories eventually turn out to be true. See Twitter's own lawyers: https://edition.cnn.com/2023/06/06/tech/twitter-files-lawyer...

You’re going to want to read your own link if you’re going to keep using that as some sort of proof.

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Unless someone has specimen samples from the sick WIV scientists, this doesn't really prove anything. Nasty respiratory viruses with Covid-like symptoms aren't actually that rare, and there's a lot of overlap between a bad respiratory infection and a mild Covid infection. I've talked to numerous people in the US who swore they had the full checklist of Covid symptoms well before the November 2019 date they're talking…

a close family member swore they got covid at CES 2020. they went to vegas and came back real sick for a couple of days. i remember in 2020 or so they were also talking about covid being in the sewage in some european city (i think in italy? and/or spain?) but my assumption was they were detecting things that were also common in other influenza strains.

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> The twitter files gave proof governments have been using social media to censor legal speech paid for by the tax payer. Source?

Are you looking for cnn, msnbc, fox, or one of the other media corporations fueled by pharma alone to write an editorial telling you why something is true?

Go read the damn twitter files. That is the source.

Are you questioning the veracity of the data given in the twitter files? Because even the executive branch didn’t do that.

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I had personally decided by April 2020 that there was sufficient information for me to believe that Covid was a lab-enhanced pathogen that was accidentally released by researchers at the Wuhan Institute of Virology. My "source" was mainly common sense (the simplest solution is usually the right one, and guilty people doth protest too much), an understanding of probability (there is a lab studying the pathogen right n…

Ok, given your prescience about the origin of COVID, how did that influence the actions you took to mitigate its effects?

I hope it included PAPR helmets and full face respirators.

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The sky is blue Exercise is good for you The government has assigned an agent to follow you when you leave your home, and listens to you through your cellular telephone Excess refined sugars is bad for you Isn't this an interesting argument structure?

When filled with facts sure.

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> "If you knew that this was likely a lab-enhanced pathogen, there are so many things you could have done differently" I'm curious - if we knew in March 2020 that covid came from a lab, what _would_ we have done differently?

If it came from a lab, then we need to seriously re-evaluate the risk-reward ratio for such research.

Re: First people sickened by Covid-19 were scientists at WIV: US government sources

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Unless someone has specimen samples from the sick WIV scientists, this doesn't really prove anything. Nasty respiratory viruses with Covid-like symptoms aren't actually that rare, and there's a lot of overlap between a bad respiratory infection and a mild Covid infection. I've talked to numerous people in the US who swore they had the full checklist of Covid symptoms well before the November 2019 date they're talking…

a close family member swore they got covid at CES 2020. they went to vegas and came back real sick for a couple of days. i remember in 2020 or so they were also talking about covid being in the sewage in some european city (i think in italy? and/or spain?) but my assumption was they were detecting things that were also common in other influenza strains.

I know a bunch of NYCers that swore they got covid in Jan 2020, but it's both mathematically impossible for all of them to have had it based on the circulating numbers at the time, and then when they actually got Covid in the coming months/years they changed their tune.

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I am really interested in the social-political dimension of this. Was the initial hypothesis of a lab leak suppressed during the initial part of the pandemic primarily due to Western government's fear of a diplomatic breakdown (like Russia) with China? The economies are far more interdependent than compared to Russia and there is a far more economically important Chinese diaspora in the West. What would it take to ge…

> I am really interested in the social-political dimension of this. Was the initial hypothesis of a lab leak suppressed during the initial part of the pandemic primarily due to Western government's fear of a diplomatic breakdown (like Russia) with China? The economies are far more interdependent than compared to Russia and there is a far more economically important Chinese diaspora in the West.

I wonder to what extent the hypothesis has been shutdown because the people who were considered to be qualified to make that assessment are interested in the continuation of gain-of-function research.

> What would it take to get a honest investigation within China? Presumably not under the current regime

You answered it yourself, impossible under the CCP. It seems that they convinced their population that the virus has actually emerged somewhere in the west, and that was the end of it for them.

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