I have always wondered why those trailers with the super low floors are not more popular... They look to be more aerodynamic, they can hold more stuff, and they would prevent the problems presented in the article. Maybe does it have to do with the fact that loading docks are already high, and this would make the loading process more cumbersome? I am not sure...
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#12NHTSA officials don't have time to do that of course, they are too busy denying right to repair in order to "protect" motorists https://youtube.com/watch?v=2nXVljRUnoc
As an external observer (I don't live in the USA) it seems to me that the NHTSA is captured by lobbyists, as a result it is currently only there to protect the interests of auto makers, instead of protecting traffic safety. Why is this illegal behaviour not investigated?
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#13Earlier quoted context omitted.
It’s rather when the industry can keep fighting for 50 years to save pennies over lives, and faces no punishment for it.
You'd think some of the trucking companies would do it just for publicity, if it was cheap enough. Then again, cars could all come with roll cages and five-point harnesses, and they don't, so there's some limit to safety equipment.
No roll cages historically was the result of no federal safety belt law. Roll cages are great until an un-belted occupant has their head hit the cage. "Second collision." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_impact_(safety)
At this point New Hampshire is the last remaining holdout on state safety belt laws. Live free or die (in a car crash).
Even then, you still have the issue of noncompliance. Automakers don't want to end up on 60 Minutes in an episode about how their "safer car" kills some people, because some of those people were un-belted in a crash. Numbers are all over the place for people not wearing their seat belt, but it's somewhere in the neighborhood of 1 in 10.
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#14Europe has mandatory underride guards for this reason since 20+ years ago.
https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2004/11/05/04-2473...
...and then updated two years later.
Still watered down to the point of near uselessness in order to placate the trucking industry lobbyists.
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#15Europe has mandatory underride guards for this reason since 20+ years ago.
Source: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unterfahrschutz_(Nutzfahrzeug)... (in German)
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#16As the article mentions, there is collaborative documentary that was produced with this story. You can watch it, and I think most FRONTLINE documentaries free on youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LyaWzOesXk
There was one point where the reporter was interviewing a guy from the ATA (American Trucking Associations) where the ATA person says that one lost life is too many. And this is very common across so many industries, safety first as they always say.
But then as soon as you put a cost associated with saving a life, the whole idea of safety first goes out the window. In this case, underrides are clearly avoidable and really don't cost that much to prevent. Retrofitted truck solutions are available, cheap, and easy to install.
It just irks me that so many industries preach about safety, but as soon as it has even the most minor impact on the bottom line, it becomes a hot topic. They should really be saying, "Safety first (but only after profits, shareholders, revenue, etc)"
I get that businesses need to make money to stay afloat, but with a profit margin of 14% [0], surely there is room to save some lives.
[0] https://www.projectionhub.com/post/10-trucking-industry-fina...
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#17It sounds like Marcos' death is blamed on the actions of the truck driver, as well as the lack of an under-ride bumper.
But don't we normally consider drivers responsible for crashing into objects towards which they're travelling?
It doesn't sound like a situation where the truck jumped into traffic suddenly from a hidden driveway:
> The truck edged out of a driveway and began, slowly, to turn left onto the road, blocking traffic in both directions.
I.e., wouldn't death have also been avoided if Marcos had been traveling at a speed that allowed him to stop in time? I'd think that addressing that (if I'm right) would save a lot more than ~100 lives/year.
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#18>An investigator with the local police department blamed the collision on the truck driver, who was initially charged with negligent homicide, though charges were eventually dropped I wonder why. Another issue is the size of trucks. The state where I lived: * Truck size was limited, large trucks were only allowed on one Highway. Goods were transferred to smaller Trucks for transport to factories. * Driving trucks on…
Trains can only run on train tracks.
The tracks/train stations don't always go close to where the freight needs to go.
It is bordering on impossible to build new rail infrastructure to get freight where it needs to go.
It takes a lot longer to ship something on a train than on a truck.
Add on the fact that transport in general is getting more expensive, and I don't think more regulations on trucking is the right answer.
Just install the guards on the side of trailers and be done with it...
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#19While I can't really verify that's true, it tracks with behavior I see of truck drivers in tight quarters; it's been trending towards this "I'm turning and I barely care if you're able to stop in time" kind of behavior.
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#20Earlier quoted context omitted.
It’s rather when the industry can keep fighting for 50 years to save pennies over lives, and faces no punishment for it.
You'd think some of the trucking companies would do it just for publicity, if it was cheap enough. Then again, cars could all come with roll cages and five-point harnesses, and they don't, so there's some limit to safety equipment.
A ton of cars pass Euro-NCAP and IIHS crash and rollover tests with flying colors.
Roll cages were a Thing because, well, this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fPF4fBGNK0U
Obviously not every car is up to snuff, especially at the bottom end of the market. You couldn't pay me to drive a current production GM, Ford, Suzuki, Mitsubishi, etc compact sedan.
5-point harnesses aren't really that necessary at 0-60mph speeds in a vehicle with modern airbags; the fifth strap is mostly for anti-submarining but a number of manufacturers have produced seats that are anti-submarining and anti-submarining dashboard design (both material and shape) is a thing as well.
All of it's possible, it's just a lot of car companies are cheap and consumers don't really shop based on stuff like "is there an anti-submarining design to the dash."