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San Francisco library turning off WiFi at night to keep homeless from using it

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Re: San Francisco library turning off WiFi at night to keep homeless from using it

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Every day I start to believe more and more that people won't stop with homelessness until every homeless person is dead. "Emergency housing is a drain on taxpayer dollars." "Job placement is taking jobs away from locals." "Soup kitchens are another drain on taxpayer money." "Homeless services are a waste of money." It makes me sick how people can act when it comes to the homeless population when so many of us are jus…

Homelessness is a threat to keep workers in line.

Re: San Francisco library turning off WiFi at night to keep homeless from using it

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The problem is that we decriminalized drug use. We have a heavily funded homeless system now and it works great but there is one little itsy bitsy problem... drug users and mental health folk. Rather than change the criminalization model, decriminalized drugs makes it more accessible than ever. Makes it so much harder to treat. What should happen is that we change our criminalization model to come health and safety f…

  For those with mental health you obviously can not decriminalize this
The exact opposite is true. It must be decriminalized for those with mental health issues.

Criminalization of drug use was never about crime or drugs. It is to install a pipeline for people in poverty to be directed into a for-profit prison system in which they are used as legal slave labor under the 13th amendment.

Drug use is not ever a criminal issue. It is a health issue full stop.

Re: San Francisco library turning off WiFi at night to keep homeless from using it

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Every day I start to believe more and more that people won't stop with homelessness until every homeless person is dead. "Emergency housing is a drain on taxpayer dollars." "Job placement is taking jobs away from locals." "Soup kitchens are another drain on taxpayer money." "Homeless services are a waste of money." It makes me sick how people can act when it comes to the homeless population when so many of us are jus…

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Re: San Francisco library turning off WiFi at night to keep homeless from using it

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Every day I start to believe more and more that people won't stop with homelessness until every homeless person is dead. "Emergency housing is a drain on taxpayer dollars." "Job placement is taking jobs away from locals." "Soup kitchens are another drain on taxpayer money." "Homeless services are a waste of money." It makes me sick how people can act when it comes to the homeless population when so many of us are jus…

Library wifi is not a homeless service. An 24 hour open seat on a subway is not a homeless service. Parks where children play is not a homeless service. Public goods being overtaken by an antisocial drug users in the name of homeless support is not progressive.

Re: San Francisco library turning off WiFi at night to keep homeless from using it

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Every day I start to believe more and more that people won't stop with homelessness until every homeless person is dead. "Emergency housing is a drain on taxpayer dollars." "Job placement is taking jobs away from locals." "Soup kitchens are another drain on taxpayer money." "Homeless services are a waste of money." It makes me sick how people can act when it comes to the homeless population when so many of us are jus…

I don’t think many people just want to fuck over homeless people, I think they don’t perceive these programs are effective—they don’t perceive the desired inverse correlation between increase in social spending and reduction in homelessness/poverty (possibly because they’re told by parties with malicious interests that these programs aren’t effective).

It's easy to notice a homeless person. It's a helluva lot harder to notice a person who used to be homeless.

Re: San Francisco library turning off WiFi at night to keep homeless from using it

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post #25

everyone acting so shocked here probably hasn’t had your home robbed, your car windows broken, or been assaulted and/or robbed by a drugged out bum. at some point enough is enough and they gotta go. i think it’s a juvenile attitude to look down your nose at the endless victims and tell them to just be more understanding of the hardships the homeless face.

So what is your proposed solution? All I hear is "they gotta go". Go where? On who's dime?

To be fair there's gotta be a more cost-effective place to house the unhoused than the Castro, West Village or Beverly Hills. I'm sure we can find cheaper stretches of land somewhere in the US.

Re: San Francisco library turning off WiFi at night to keep homeless from using it

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem is that unlike people with homes (who are generally stuck in one place — wherever their home is), homeless people have nothing holding them to places inhospitable to their presence. So the homeless diffuse around countries, drifting from place to place, until they settle in an "attractor" city — a local optimum for homeless hospitable-ness (with more social-welfare programs for them; less police suppressi…

All you do then is turn the entire country into an "attractor country" - faced with the 'homeless problem' of the rest of the world. Which is, ironically, one of the issues raised against open borders.

Agreed about the "attractor country" comment; however, at least we have some restrictions on borders. I agree with the parent comment that this issue needs to be addressed by the federal gov't. I wonder if some states could even be incentivized to support such systems by creating rehabilitation communities which would bring jobs (and yes homeless) but still more $ in general. FL and AZ sort of does this with old people and some states seem to do it for addiction treatment centers.

X% of the population will always need some gov't help and Y% will need gov't help at some point. I think we need to stop negatively viewing these groups as sponges on society. Ability is a spectrum, and we don't criticize someone w Down's Syndrome, and so I don't think we should be so harsh on people who are homeless / have trouble holding down a job / low-ish IQ / and even those who fried their brain w drugs / etc.

Yes, we want to avoid perverse incentives and incentivize people to be productive members of society, but we also need to recognize that some people will always need some help, and as a society, I think we should help them, striving for a future with little to no involuntary poverty.

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