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First people sickened by Covid-19 were scientists at WIV: US government sources

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Re: First people sickened by Covid-19 were scientists at WIV: US government sources

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Post by whimsicalism »

ren_engineer wrote: post #17
jleyank wrote: post #2

There seems to have been covid cases in Europe in last-quarter 2019, which suggests it was there or brought there before the outbreak that made the news in 2020. Doesn’t rule out leaks and crossovers, just moves them elsewhere or else when. Viral pneumonia was occurring, symptoms turned out to match covid and nobody was saving or testing blood samples. Outside of a few places in Dec. But people had aggressive, surpri…

I remember the sudden freak out in the media about vaping in late 2019 because young people were being hospitalized with lung damage. Have to wonder if that was actually covid and the vapes were just coincidence, they'd been around for years at that point so them all of the sudden having media hysteria around them was weird to me at the time https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/10/health/vaping-outbreak-2019-e...

there was a new chemical introduced into the black market supply chain in 2019 causing lung injury

Re: First people sickened by Covid-19 were scientists at WIV: US government sources

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Post by Symmetry »

ren_engineer wrote: post #17
jleyank wrote: post #2

There seems to have been covid cases in Europe in last-quarter 2019, which suggests it was there or brought there before the outbreak that made the news in 2020. Doesn’t rule out leaks and crossovers, just moves them elsewhere or else when. Viral pneumonia was occurring, symptoms turned out to match covid and nobody was saving or testing blood samples. Outside of a few places in Dec. But people had aggressive, surpri…

I remember the sudden freak out in the media about vaping in late 2019 because young people were being hospitalized with lung damage. Have to wonder if that was actually covid and the vapes were just coincidence, they'd been around for years at that point so them all of the sudden having media hysteria around them was weird to me at the time https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/10/health/vaping-outbreak-2019-e...

That was found to be black market vape cartridges using vitamin E acetate, which you don't want in your lungs.

https://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/basic_information/e-cigarettes/s...

Re: First people sickened by Covid-19 were scientists at WIV: US government sources

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Post by [deleted] »

ren_engineer wrote: post #17
jleyank wrote: post #2

There seems to have been covid cases in Europe in last-quarter 2019, which suggests it was there or brought there before the outbreak that made the news in 2020. Doesn’t rule out leaks and crossovers, just moves them elsewhere or else when. Viral pneumonia was occurring, symptoms turned out to match covid and nobody was saving or testing blood samples. Outside of a few places in Dec. But people had aggressive, surpri…

I remember the sudden freak out in the media about vaping in late 2019 because young people were being hospitalized with lung damage. Have to wonder if that was actually covid and the vapes were just coincidence, they'd been around for years at that point so them all of the sudden having media hysteria around them was weird to me at the time https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/10/health/vaping-outbreak-2019-e...

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Re: First people sickened by Covid-19 were scientists at WIV: US government sources

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Post by treis »

scoofy wrote: post #18
indigodaddy wrote: post #7

‘Said Metzl, “Had US government officials including Dr. Fauci stated from day one that a COVID-19 research-related origin was a very real possibility, and made clear that we had little idea what viruses were being held at the Wuhan Institute of Virology, what work was being done there, and who was doing that work, our national and global conversations would have been dramatically different. The time has come for a fu…

Also... I mean, unless I've created a false memory, I specifically remember that the discussion at the time was about a the virus literally being a bio-weapon, and not actually the entirely plausible, accidental escape of a virus. I've always had a completely open mind about it, even if experts have repeatedly suggested that it's plausible, but unlikely. Those prattling on about how "people called us crazy" that it w…

The most popular human origin theory was a lab leak. It was easier to argue against the crazies claiming a bioweapon so that's what most did and that's what got the most press. But the primary human origin story was an accidental release.

Re: First people sickened by Covid-19 were scientists at WIV: US government sources

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Post by api »

mc32 wrote: post #15

So… finally what lots of people were claiming but got censored on social media as well as mainstream media during the pandemic is being acknowledged and verified by the government. Follow up. Given statements to congress by government officials to Congress, under oath, that would contradict this conclusion, will there be repercussions for misleading the public, lawmakers and the scientific community? PS: It was never…

I recall reading credible scientists talking about a lab leak from day one, and I always considered it a possibility. Yet many of the people pushing it on social media were pushing it as a 100% certainty and even that it was some kind of intentional bio-weapon attack. The people getting banned for this were conspiritainment grifters and people pushing fascist politics.

The most effective way to cover something up is to have Alex Jones and Steve Bannon talk about it. If Fauci really is running some horrible conspiracy maybe he's paying these people to talk about it to make sure nobody takes the idea seriously.

Then there were the people pushing the Ukraine bioweapons nonsense, which is a transparent Russian attempt to copy Bush II's "WMDs in Iraq" bullshit.

Re: First people sickened by Covid-19 were scientists at WIV: US government sources

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Post by wouldbecouldbe »

scoofy wrote: post #18
indigodaddy wrote: post #7

‘Said Metzl, “Had US government officials including Dr. Fauci stated from day one that a COVID-19 research-related origin was a very real possibility, and made clear that we had little idea what viruses were being held at the Wuhan Institute of Virology, what work was being done there, and who was doing that work, our national and global conversations would have been dramatically different. The time has come for a fu…

Also... I mean, unless I've created a false memory, I specifically remember that the discussion at the time was about a the virus literally being a bio-weapon, and not actually the entirely plausible, accidental escape of a virus. I've always had a completely open mind about it, even if experts have repeatedly suggested that it's plausible, but unlikely. Those prattling on about how "people called us crazy" that it w…

No you misremember.

Here I was ridiculed.

Specifically remember a columnist at Parool, a Dutch local newspaper, talking about it how he was pressured by colleagues days after just mentioning a column it might be from the Lab.

There was a consensus in the West it didn't came from the Lab, and those who suggested otherwise were non-scientific lunatics.

Re: First people sickened by Covid-19 were scientists at WIV: US government sources

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Post by mlyle »

rovolo wrote: post #25

The title says "sickened by Covid-19", but the text says "developed COVID-19-like illnesses in November 2019".

Yes. We don't have swabs that we can perform PCR on.

On the other hand, this report, if true:

- Sickened about a month before COVID-19 was formally detected

- In close proximity to where COVID-19 was formally detected

- While doing research on gain of function in coronaviruses.

This is strongly suggestive circumstantial evidence.

Re: First people sickened by Covid-19 were scientists at WIV: US government sources

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Post by whimsicalism »

mlyle wrote: post #38
rovolo wrote: post #25

The title says "sickened by Covid-19", but the text says "developed COVID-19-like illnesses in November 2019".

Yes. We don't have swabs that we can perform PCR on. On the other hand, this report, if true: - Sickened about a month before COVID-19 was formally detected - In close proximity to where COVID-19 was formally detected - While doing research on gain of function in coronaviruses. This is strongly suggestive circumstantial evidence.

Would love to have the denominator.
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