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First people sickened by Covid-19 were scientists at WIV: US government sources

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Re: First people sickened by Covid-19 were scientists at WIV: US government sources

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Post by sp0rk »

baja_blast wrote: post #8
jleyank wrote: post #2

There seems to have been covid cases in Europe in last-quarter 2019, which suggests it was there or brought there before the outbreak that made the news in 2020. Doesn’t rule out leaks and crossovers, just moves them elsewhere or else when. Viral pneumonia was occurring, symptoms turned out to match covid and nobody was saving or testing blood samples. Outside of a few places in Dec. But people had aggressive, surpri…

I heard from a friend from Taiwan that there were rumors of some kinda of virus spreading around by mid 2019 in China. The thing is if there were blood samples showing a much earlier date of covid spreading in China there is zero chance we would ever hear about it. It is also worth noting that the region hit hardest in Italy early on just so happens to be a huge textile manufacturing center with a huge Chinese popula…

> It is also worth noting that the region hit hardest in Italy early on just so happens to be a huge textile manufacturing center with a huge Chinese population.

If you're talking about Prato, your information is completely wrong.

Re: First people sickened by Covid-19 were scientists at WIV: US government sources

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Post by zmgsabst »

hammock wrote: post #6
jleyank wrote: post #2

There seems to have been covid cases in Europe in last-quarter 2019, which suggests it was there or brought there before the outbreak that made the news in 2020. Doesn’t rule out leaks and crossovers, just moves them elsewhere or else when. Viral pneumonia was occurring, symptoms turned out to match covid and nobody was saving or testing blood samples. Outside of a few places in Dec. But people had aggressive, surpri…

The Wuhan Games, at which 10,000 athletes from the worlds' armies participated, wrapped October 27, 2019, after which people left Wuhan to return to their homes all over the world, including to Italy where many of the first cases outside of Wuhan occured https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Military_World_Games

WIV took down their database and upgraded their ventilation circa September 2019. [0]

Event 201 wargame about just such a disease was held in October 2019 — where people “role played” many of the policies we saw enacted. [1]

Trump signed for flu vaccine research in September 2019, developing new technologies and an influenza task force. [2]

I’m sure that’s all just coincidence.

[0] - https://news.yahoo.com/wuhan-lab-air-circulation-systems-135...

[1] - https://centerforhealthsecurity.org/our-work/tabletop-exerci...

[2] - https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/FR-2019-09-24/pdf/2019-2...

Re: First people sickened by Covid-19 were scientists at WIV: US government sources

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Post by ajkjk »

indigodaddy wrote: post #7

‘Said Metzl, “Had US government officials including Dr. Fauci stated from day one that a COVID-19 research-related origin was a very real possibility, and made clear that we had little idea what viruses were being held at the Wuhan Institute of Virology, what work was being done there, and who was doing that work, our national and global conversations would have been dramatically different. The time has come for a fu…

Why?

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Post by mc32 »

So… finally what lots of people were claiming but got censored on social media as well as mainstream media during the pandemic is being acknowledged and verified by the government.

Follow up. Given statements to congress by government officials to Congress, under oath, that would contradict this conclusion, will there be repercussions for misleading the public, lawmakers and the scientific community?

PS: It was never a credible bio-weapon attack (people are now trying to conflate this to instill FUD in people's memories --go do a google search with date ranges). Bio-weapons are terrible weapons of war. They are likely to affect the target as well as the deployer.

For the nonbelievers of Censorship, read up on Matt Taibbi's reporting or read some other media than usual: https://www.wsj.com/articles/white-house-covid-censorship-ma...

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Post by hwillis »

Note that this is NOT the Wuhan CDC, which is the building across the river from the wet market. They did not do any research there. This building is ~10 miles south, well outside the main city.

https://geohack.toolforge.org/geohack.php?pagename=Wuhan_Ins...

The fact that researchers were sick with flu-like symptoms has been openly stated by the US for a long time. This was put out in the state department Jan 2021, 2.5 years ago: https://2017-2021.state.gov/fact-sheet-activity-at-the-wuhan...

> The U.S. government has reason to believe that several researchers inside the WIV became sick in autumn 2019, before the first identified case of the outbreak, with symptoms consistent with both COVID-19 and common seasonal illnesses.

Here's a good post that outlines the frankly huge amount of evidence against the WIV being involved: https://medium.com/microbial-instincts/the-case-against-the-...

> Based on number of visitors, Worobey estimated the odds at only 1 in 10,000 that the market would be the first superspreading event in Wuhan.

> Although it didn’t receive a lot of traffic, the market was one of only 4 places selling wild animals in Wuhan. It’s one of the most likely places for a wildlife spillover.

> As we’ll see later, there may actually have been two jumps from animals to people at the market. Now we’re talking about odds of 1 in 100 million, that the virus made it from the lab to the market twice but showed up nowhere else in Wuhan.

Re: First people sickened by Covid-19 were scientists at WIV: US government sources

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Post by ren_engineer »

jleyank wrote: post #2

There seems to have been covid cases in Europe in last-quarter 2019, which suggests it was there or brought there before the outbreak that made the news in 2020. Doesn’t rule out leaks and crossovers, just moves them elsewhere or else when. Viral pneumonia was occurring, symptoms turned out to match covid and nobody was saving or testing blood samples. Outside of a few places in Dec. But people had aggressive, surpri…

I remember the sudden freak out in the media about vaping in late 2019 because young people were being hospitalized with lung damage. Have to wonder if that was actually covid and the vapes were just coincidence, they'd been around for years at that point so them all of the sudden having media hysteria around them was weird to me at the time

https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/10/health/vaping-outbreak-2019-e...

Re: First people sickened by Covid-19 were scientists at WIV: US government sources

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Post by scoofy »

indigodaddy wrote: post #7

‘Said Metzl, “Had US government officials including Dr. Fauci stated from day one that a COVID-19 research-related origin was a very real possibility, and made clear that we had little idea what viruses were being held at the Wuhan Institute of Virology, what work was being done there, and who was doing that work, our national and global conversations would have been dramatically different. The time has come for a fu…

Also... I mean, unless I've created a false memory, I specifically remember that the discussion at the time was about a the virus literally being a bio-weapon, and not actually the entirely plausible, accidental escape of a virus.

I've always had a completely open mind about it, even if experts have repeatedly suggested that it's plausible, but unlikely.

Those prattling on about how "people called us crazy" that it was a WIV lab leak seem to completely misremember what was actually being discussed in April-May of 2020, and also seem to be trying to score political points in American politics, when it seems very obvious that the CCP should take the lion's share of any blame regarding any lack of transparency.

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Post by startupsfail »

indigodaddy wrote: post #7

‘Said Metzl, “Had US government officials including Dr. Fauci stated from day one that a COVID-19 research-related origin was a very real possibility, and made clear that we had little idea what viruses were being held at the Wuhan Institute of Virology, what work was being done there, and who was doing that work, our national and global conversations would have been dramatically different. The time has come for a fu…

Trump was trying to play that “blame China” card. And was disclosing classified reports left and right. Fauci was not exactly on Trump’s side. And not playing the blame game was a good option back then.

But, it’s not a good idea to reward Wuhan’s Institute type of research. And there should be some accountability in the end.

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Post by hwillis »

indigodaddy wrote: post #3

Isn’t the gist of this fairly old news? Or did they just not have the names before?

Very. This was put out in the state department Jan 2021, 2.5 years ago: https://2017-2021.state.gov/fact-sheet-activity-at-the-wuhan...

> The U.S. government has reason to believe that several researchers inside the WIV became sick in autumn 2019, before the first identified case of the outbreak, with symptoms consistent with both COVID-19 and common seasonal illnesses.

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