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Post by refulgentis »

johnnyanmac wrote: post #439
refulgentis wrote: post #424

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is an incredibly disingenuous take. ;) - $3/user is the Apollo author’s projected costs. Dunno what the rest of that means. “The App Store charges 30%!!!” simply isn’t relevant other than for devs projecting anything that’s hurt them over the last decade into this story - What are “all the changes”? My understanding is he’d release an update with a new API key with a CC attached. - If it’s gravely important that…

>Why is it impossible to give a finite list of customers a refund in 30 days? Again, isn’t he doing it anyway? if that's all you got out of the comment, you clearly aren't trying to see the POV of the app developer. He's under no obligation to keep working for a company that has at this point slandered him behind his back and he can shut down his app whenever he wants. You are free to judge him but I don't think he's…

Do you understand he doesn't work for Reddit?

Do you understand your comments are focused on making judgements about _personalities_, not business decisions? Do you see how they assume others are too?

Since you've indulged, please, allow me:

Your comments are aggro and focused on personalities and people. I don't find them useful or interesting.

Yes, I know my stance on this isn't the common one. I have been taking it for a few days on several forums.

I've obviously seen a bunch of people who were happy to dismiss everything I said. Your replies stand out as the only ones that were wildly off-topic and myopic. You are strangely focused on social dynamics and stack-ranking strangers that will never meet, and assume the strangers are doing the same.

Re: Reddit Doubles Down

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Post by mock-possum »

whatsuphotdog wrote: post #40

I love that the CEO calls the users voicing their displeasure "noise". When those users voice opinions on other things, it's called content. When those users voice their opinions against reddit, it's noise. Hoffman continues to display a fundamental misunderstanding of what Reddit is. The very people that give your platform its value are revolting against you, and you think it's noise. What's your product? What do yo…

yeah this really has been a mask-off moment for spez.

Re: Reddit Doubles Down

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Post by futhey »

Prickle wrote: post #379
refulgentis wrote: post #339

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I don't understand the Apollo side of this --- that's literally what he's being offered, by his own math. $3/month/user. Fairs fair. He has enough users to make millions a year: their servers aren't his for free forever. People are tying themselves into knots turning Reddit into either near-bankrupt or evil. Or hyper-focusing on particular elements that are just disputable human interactions, like most (i.e. suggesti…

This is an incredibly disingenuous take. First, no it is not 3$. Apple takes a 30% cut, and requires a yearly fee to keep the app on the store. There is also a separate server cost, and a cost associated with paying an engineer. The actual cost is 5 dollars. Second, there is only one single month to make all changes. Pricing was announced only 30 days prior. That means payment setup, subscription changes, app update…

He also indicated that it's not even $3, people who pay for Apollo Premium/Ultra tend to use the app more, and their usage would be in the $5-$10 range. So basically he'd be losing a bunch of users who brought the average down, refunding those in the middle, and his entire business would be catering to the most expensive users. $15 would be more of a breakeven, and at that point, what the point of running a tiny app for free?

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Post by chefandy »

George83728 wrote: post #447
chefandy wrote: post #375

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Nope. I was basing what I said entirely on the article. Based on my extensive experience in open source projects, I think that's entirely reasonable. If a tech blogger thinks the experience is 'rough'— which includes a whole lot more than user flows in sign up and resource discovery— you can be quite sure it's going to look a whole lot worse to your average person.

Is it common for professional designers to bash a design before even looking at it? Maybe this is why FOSS projects aren't very interested in your feedback.

If I said that their handling of callbacks for http requests was rough would you consider that 'bashing' it?

Re: Reddit Doubles Down

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Post by johnnyanmac »

refulgentis wrote: post #451
johnnyanmac wrote: post #439

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Why is it impossible to give a finite list of customers a refund in 30 days? Again, isn’t he doing it anyway? if that's all you got out of the comment, you clearly aren't trying to see the POV of the app developer. He's under no obligation to keep working for a company that has at this point slandered him behind his back and he can shut down his app whenever he wants. You are free to judge him but I don't think he's…

Do you understand he doesn't work for Reddit? Do you understand your comments are focused on making judgements about _personalities_, not business decisions? Do you see how they assume others are too? Since you've indulged, please, allow me: Your comments are aggro and focused on personalities and people. I don't find them useful or interesting. Yes, I know my stance on this isn't the common one. I have been taking i…

>Do you understand your comments are focused on making judgements about _personalities_, not business decisions?

You chose to comment on a personality and not a business decision. So I responded in kind. To remind you of your comment:

>I just don't like how many people I see bamboozled by him. Extremely manipulative behavior.

This is not a comment about a business decision. This isn't even a comment about Apollo nor Christian. So yea, I reply simply to voice my disagreement with this assertion as you have indeed brought me into your odd argument.Tit for tat.

And since you asked for my useless and non-interesting opinion by proxy: As a fellow dev (not reddit app dev, just general person who has worked on tech only for it to fail due to powers outside my control), I do empathize with here. Trying to and spin my own emotions as being bamboozled is dishonest, inflammatory, and in my singular case, wrong.

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Post by yjftsjthsd-h »

refulgentis wrote: post #449
laverya wrote: post #444

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$3/user/mo is also the average cost across all of his (active?) users - you can bet that if the users start having to pay the people who use Reddit constantly will be more likely to subscribe than the ones who use it once a month. There might genuinely not be a single price that pays for itself, and usage-based pricing might be required.

Yeah, that is what running a business is like. People are unintentionally grading him on a _huge_ curve, essentially "what if...all I had to do was code and App Store?" That would be nice, I get the impression he's had a fun ride so far where that was pretty much it. Now that the thing he's selling isn't free, he can pound the table and quit, or run the business.

> Now that the thing he's selling isn't free, he can pound the table and quit, or run the business.

Other than the needless personal attack, that's exactly what he did.

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Post by andsoitis »

jupp0r wrote: post #448
andsoitis wrote: post #267

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Could it be that most Reddit traffic is via web, and so it isn't worthwhile?

Then why is it worthwhile to alienate all users with these API restrictions just so that users move to in house mobile apps?

Could be:

a) 30% on mobile app (made up) would be less than 70% web, but still sizable!

a) Scraping by generative AI companies, etc.?

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Post by illiac786 »

whywhywouldyou wrote: post #373
scubadude wrote: post #324

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I think that started with the redesign. It's so weird looking at some of the default subs, just pure trash imo, yet there are still the incredibly diverse, bespoke communities ranging from knitting to woodworking. Users in those subs are the real losers out of this.

Those "incredibly bespoke communities" are almost entirely people posting images of a professional/elaborate project, and then asking for feedback in the form of "hey you guys this is the first thing I've ever made please give me some feedback but go easy on me OK?" It's a massive circle jerk and echo chamber of regurgitated opinions. So in other words: exactly like the rest of Reddit.

If that's your definition of circle jerk then basically you can't have a conversation with anyone, on any medium.

A conversation is always at some level about voicing your opinion or showing something you've done or bought and basically ask for feedback/reactions.

Re: Reddit Doubles Down

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Post by fennecfoxy »

ink_13 wrote: post #205
raincole wrote: post #99

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My personal (cynical) bet is that Huffman actually understands what Reddit is better than us, and Reddit will be just fine after this. To be completely honest, if a two-day blackout is proven to be the most serious "protest" the community can do, I'll buy Reddit stock when it IPO.

If Reddit isn't going to value its communities, it's just going to turn into a clone of the bloated corpse of "I Can Has Cheeseburger", an endless stream of cat pictures and short videos, posted and reposted. High in traffic, maybe, but catering only to the lowest common denominator, stripped of the things that made it valuable to long-time users. But that's probably fine with them. Reddit seems to have taken that th…

That's what the average hooman being wants tho, why do you think Tiktok is so popular. Most of the content on there is scripted bullshit/fake scenarios and some dumbass' face "reacting" to some other content. That's what people like...for some reason...
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