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The Reddit blackout has left Google barren and full of holes

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Re: The Reddit blackout has left Google barren and full of holes

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We're going to get more Quora results, huh? Please come back Reddit and save us. Quora results are the worst. I can't believe how much management ruined Quora.

Was there a time when Quora was good? I've been thinking of it as "Stack Exchange for arrogant, tedious bores" for as long as I've been aware of it.

Re: The Reddit blackout has left Google barren and full of holes

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Google can't index an internet that doesn't exist. The open web is truly dying. I believe in the open web, but it seems like an ideological position, not something most people want to participate in. (Just like decentralization!) There's a few reasons: 1. Putting things on the web means your words are public, so they can be archived forever, and anyone can look at them. Do I want employers looking at my high school b…

#2 I still have trouble just renewing my SSL cert every 3 months. I don't want to update my system but they keep moving the goal post.

Re: The Reddit blackout has left Google barren and full of holes

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My theory is that Google lost the spam war. All the leetcode in the world won't teach someone to build an ML model that can tell whether a website is spam. So Google outsourced the spam detection problem -- they heavily bias their results towards only the most popular sites, who either have human moderators or paid contributors, and those sites do the spam management that Google's automated approach is incapable of.

Google lost the spam war when Matt Cutts left. Google effectively lost its community outreach, and simultaneously pivoted to aggressive moat protection through AMP, Chrome, Jedi Blue, etc. It’s less that the spammers won and more that Google lost their aim at high-quality content.

Re: The Reddit blackout has left Google barren and full of holes

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post #108

Google can't index an internet that doesn't exist. The open web is truly dying. I believe in the open web, but it seems like an ideological position, not something most people want to participate in. (Just like decentralization!) There's a few reasons: 1. Putting things on the web means your words are public, so they can be archived forever, and anyone can look at them. Do I want employers looking at my high school b…

> 1. Putting things on the web means your words are public, so they can be archived forever, and anyone can look at them.

> 4. Most people don't want to put the effort into writing/posting anything beyond basic food/vacation photos or whatnot.

Nobody cares about opinions of some dipshit. There are literally millions of experts in the world. We want to hear from them.

> 3. If you don't want to bother with hosting your own site, you are at the mercy of platforms...

Wikipedia & sister sites. StackOverflow. I am pretty sure there is space for more open-content sites, especially ones run by non-profits.

> 5. It's lonely running a website!

Comment sections help a lot. Blogs can also have multiple authors.

Re: The Reddit blackout has left Google barren and full of holes

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What is the appeal of discord? I've tried to multiple times and to me it's just ephemeral... something closer to irc then a web forum. The onboarding and UX is horrid (or I'm just an old dude... which is true :)

I agree the intial onboarding is a bit confusing. The appeal is for small private and semi-public communities. You are right that it is more like IRC than a web forum, but it serves much the same purpose for many people with its server channels and channel threads. I'm a member of a small community about 25-30 people that know it each from either university or work. We chat about games, politics, software development…

I host a Mattermost server for this purpose. It does what Discord does, just shittier, buggier, fewer features, and I have to pay a web host to have somewhere to run it. But it's -actually- private and our community owns the data, instead of whoever buys Discord next week.

I wish there were more self-hosting offerings to compete with Discord. RocketChat, Mattermost, Zulip, and Matrix/Element all leave something to be desired.

Re: The Reddit blackout has left Google barren and full of holes

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My theory is that Google lost the spam war. All the leetcode in the world won't teach someone to build an ML model that can tell whether a website is spam. So Google outsourced the spam detection problem -- they heavily bias their results towards only the most popular sites, who either have human moderators or paid contributors, and those sites do the spam management that Google's automated approach is incapable of.

I mean I think you’re mostly right but to be fair to Google it’s an incredibly adversarial. Thousands of people have made it their full time job to try to trick Google into thinking their blogspam is good content.

Re: The Reddit blackout has left Google barren and full of holes

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Email is dying too. I have run my own email server for 20 years. A few years ago my original ISP was acquired, forcing me to switch providers and hence get a new IP address. Ever since then my server has been blacklisted by one major player or another as a source of spam. I even tried changing to a new IP address, but the result of that was just a different set of providers blacklisting me. I'm about ready to throw i…

If you're planning to offload to a third party anyway, why don't you instead first try routing mail though AWS SES? You'll definitely get better delivery and at least you'll be able to control the rest of the stack.

there are also small companies which deliver the same service, if that appeals. i've been using mailroute.net for delivery and spam prevention for a small business for years.

Re: The Reddit blackout has left Google barren and full of holes

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It's getting worse by the minute, too. What used to be a subreddit might now be a Discord server, which is in my opinion even worse, keeping solutions/questions to certain issues within Discord's own walls. You now have to enter a server, search for your specific problem, and, if not found, ask someone and wait for them to respond. If results are on the first page of google it's much more friction-less and convenient…

What is the appeal of discord? I've tried to multiple times and to me it's just ephemeral... something closer to irc then a web forum. The onboarding and UX is horrid (or I'm just an old dude... which is true :)

What's the point of chat rooms? Well... you see in the beginning there was only grunts and aggressive body language (kinda like how emojis are used today,) and then well, you know what just read the wiki https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_communication

Re: The Reddit blackout has left Google barren and full of holes

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I think what's happening with Twitter and Reddit is actually a good thing in that it's exposing the failures of centralized networks. The thing is, these failures aren't big enough yet for people to jump ship and I think the main problem is none of the decentralized social networks have provided a solution that's better. Mastodon is theoretically a better version of Twitter, but normal people get lost the moment some…

It is stunning to me that Mastadon still hasn't come up with a simple onboarding solution to sidestep the issue of "instances" I completely agree with you. Mastadon even loses techies like me due to the decision fatigue of having to pick instances before I can even start exploring.

They lost a techie like me when their main web app refuses to even display without JS. And I say that as a JS guy. Open stuff with aims as big as Mastodon should work on as many devices as possible.

Re: The Reddit blackout has left Google barren and full of holes

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idk.. kagi still works great. I've experienced no impact to search quality over the last few days.

It’s not the search quality is that the contents is not there as all of it is on Reddit

Right, my point is kagi finds me useful content not just “searches reddit better”
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