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Reddit is OpenAI’s moat

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Re: Reddit is OpenAI’s moat

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Post by cannonpalms »

tayo42 wrote: post #123
zuppy wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

depends of where you go on reddit. i've learned a lot of things for my hobbies. for example r/espresso and r/roasting are a source of good information. there are also places like r/askhistorians and many many otheres. reddit is not just r/funny.

niches and hobbies are dominated by beginners and ideas that can't be challenged (theres a word for this, I cant remember what it is). people aren't just talking about their experience on major subs though. the opinions i run into real life can be very different then with people in the real world. the communities online are made up of the kinds of people who spend their time online, and the content you see on reddit…

> there's a word for this

Hegemony, perhaps.

Re: Reddit is OpenAI’s moat

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Post by Symmetry »

rjh29 wrote: post #98
flandre wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My favorite alternatives are email and going outside.

Going outside is a great alternative to mindlessly consuming Reddit, but we're talking about researching opinions here. That's something that Reddit is actually good for.

Perhaps GP meant that since desire is the root of suffering, that rather than desire that your server work and suffer and strive to return it to functionality, you could go outside and mediate on the grass until you relinquished your desire for a working server.

Or your desire for an umbrella that doesn't break in the wind, or the best public estimate of when Starship will launch, or any of the myriad other desires that cause people to append "reddit" to their searches.

Re: Reddit is OpenAI’s moat

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Post by chrismarlow9 »

duxup wrote: post #64

> There is no question that Reddit is extremely valuable as training data. How often do you append “reddit” to your searches? Is it? When I worked in networking, and later web dev work I found Reddit to be a TERRIBLE place for Q & A type situations. Answers on Reddit are often skewed by truthy answers from people with limited perspective in the industry who are surprisingly sort of militant about a given topic. For e…

My experience in the past 5-10 years on Reddit is:

- the voting system is about what people want the truth to be, not the truth.

- the users can be very easily gamed in comments to vote one way or another just by the initial voting being negative or positive (aka most just vote with the trend)

- the opinions all come from a bias of urban and major metro area people. It's painfully obvious they don't understand any mindset outside of this one.

- it wasn't always this way.

I agree with you, the quality went down as the quantity went up, and it may be possible to use the comments, but using the vote data as a signal of truth is going to produce a terribly narrow minded AI.

Re: Reddit is OpenAI’s moat

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Post by zirgs »

CuriouslyC wrote: post #109

Data is the only moat in the AI age. The problem for businesses is that the output of models can be used to train other models, so even a massive data moat will eventually be eroded. Eventually all B2C AI companies will be just slick interfaces over open models that are too large to run on commodity hardware. B2B AI is in a bit better shape, both because compiling niche business data sets can be expensive, and there…

Current VRAM prices are like that, because of Nvidias greed.

I assembled one of my previous gaming PCs 10 years ago and installing 32 GB of RAM wasn't a problem back then.

But you can't even buy a consumer GPU with 32 GB of VRAM. Data center cards are considerably more expensive.

There's no technical reason to not have 100+GB consumer GPUs today.

Re: Reddit is OpenAI’s moat

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Post by tmpz22 »

duxup wrote: post #64

> There is no question that Reddit is extremely valuable as training data. How often do you append “reddit” to your searches? Is it? When I worked in networking, and later web dev work I found Reddit to be a TERRIBLE place for Q & A type situations. Answers on Reddit are often skewed by truthy answers from people with limited perspective in the industry who are surprisingly sort of militant about a given topic. For e…

> Answers on Reddit are often skewed by truthy answers from people with limited perspective in the industry who are surprisingly sort of militant about a given topic.

Equally said of HN. Folks with a few years of dev or startup experience asserting this or that all over the place. Im sure less experienced folks read these "truthy" answers and take them as gospel in some cases.

Re: Reddit is OpenAI’s moat

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Post by zpeti »

whywhywhywhy wrote: post #63
zdragnar wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I genuinely don't understand the appeal of AI for search. The provenance of information is just as important as the resulting information for pretty much anything I search for. I almost never accept a single search result as authoritative unless I'm pretty familiar with the source. Reddit in particular seems like a terrible set of training data. Pretty much any opinion is going to have a counter-opinion somewhere in…

> I genuinely don't understand the appeal of AI for search If you're good at googling the flow is: Ask the question > Clock which result isnt spam and click it > Figure out how to dismiss the cookies gate without accepting the cookies > Dismiss the google login box > Dismiss the popover pushing you to install an app > Scroll the page or ctrl+F to find the answer With ChatGPT it's just type your question and your answ…

Aaand this is basically the story of silicon valley over and over again.

Build a product that's more convenient, and people will use it. Google is so full of shit now, and even answer boxes are below 4 ads, it's just way more comfortable and efficient to ask chatgpt.

This morning I wanted to know how many calories there are in a breaded chicken breast. Chatgpt told me in 3 seconds after asking. Google would have been way more time. (sidenote: I also hate google, so I'd much rather use chatgpt anyway)

Re: Reddit is OpenAI’s moat

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Post by DrammBA »

whywhywhywhy wrote: post #63
zdragnar wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I genuinely don't understand the appeal of AI for search. The provenance of information is just as important as the resulting information for pretty much anything I search for. I almost never accept a single search result as authoritative unless I'm pretty familiar with the source. Reddit in particular seems like a terrible set of training data. Pretty much any opinion is going to have a counter-opinion somewhere in…

> I genuinely don't understand the appeal of AI for search If you're good at googling the flow is: Ask the question > Clock which result isnt spam and click it > Figure out how to dismiss the cookies gate without accepting the cookies > Dismiss the google login box > Dismiss the popover pushing you to install an app > Scroll the page or ctrl+F to find the answer With ChatGPT it's just type your question and your answ…

My googling flow: Ask the question > Clock which result isnt spam and click it > uBLock Origin blocks everything > ctrl+F to find the answer

Re: Reddit is OpenAI’s moat

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Post by jimnotgym »

> Organizations/people with an interest in OpenAI – like Sam Altman and a16z – have a significant stake in Reddit, and strong ties to the board.

This triggered me to review a thought I had.

VC's are very keen with attending board meetings without being directors, retaining the right to appoint a director without carrying that out, and exerting control thought other means. I think some tightening of the concept of shadow directors is in order. Shadow directors are supposed to have the same legal responsibilities as properly appointed directors, yet they currently carry all the power without the reponsibilty

Re: Reddit is OpenAI’s moat

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Post by gsatic »

eggbrain wrote: post #42

I think from Reddit's perspective, they are extremely upset with OpenAI, in the same way that I'm sure StackOverflow is upset -- OpenAI took: - The entire corpus of data the community had curated over the last XX years - The "goodwill" that these platforms had developed towards third party developers in allowing developers to work with their data - Potentially large amounts of traffic that would normally come to thei…

Google or Reddit don't matter, if the Info Explosion problem that the Internet produced gets solved some other way.

Main reason such sites came into existence was there was too much info on the Internet.

These sites where attempts at simplifying the numerous websites and blogs ppl had to manually discover and track.

They have meandered around that problem, and got totally distracted by all kinds of other problems (many self created).

Re: Reddit is OpenAI’s moat

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Post by KptMarchewa »

mtlmtlmtlmtl wrote: post #134
rjh29 wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Going outside is a great alternative to mindlessly consuming Reddit, but we're talking about researching opinions here. That's something that Reddit is actually good for.

So is going outside though. In fact, I think talking in person is usually a much better way of actually understanding someone else's opinion, because normative rules of social behaviour tend to stop the discussion from becoming a flamewar. I could spend hours just neutrally asking someone questions about a particular view they hold, why they hold it, etc. I think you gain a lot more insight into how people think this…

Who cares about "particular views they hold"? We're talking about fridge or tv brands, not some personal stuff.
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