Debian GNU/Hurd 2023

Post by janneke » Wed, Jun 14, 2023, 2:43 PM UTC

martin8412 wrote: post #69

dale_glass wrote: post #49

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> Microkernels are not obsolete (see seL4), but HURD unfortunately is. Why HURD specifically? But I didn't mean microkernels, but the debate. Basically my view is that nothing stays pure. If microkernels have significant upsides a monolithic kernel like Linux doesn't have, then the logical outcome is that Linux copies the required feature like eg, FUSE. Yeah, it's not a true microkernel, but who cares? It can do the…

Hurd is never going to be more than at best a research project, more likely a hobby project. All semi-modern hardware requires proprietary blobs to function properly. It would be great if all firmware and drivers was open source, but that's not going to happen anytime soon. FSF is largely a joke in the way they certify RYF hardware. Proprietary blobs are all good as long as they're loaded from a separate flash that c…

What I don't understand is why people are so willing to install and run opaque binary blobs, even is it's from/supporting free software-hostile Evil Corp. I've been running GNU Guix, which uses Linux-Libre--i.e., no blobs-- on my Dell XPS-13 and Lenovo x270. The only change I needed to make to buy my freedom was install an atheros wifi card (yeah, proprietary bios sucks, buy puri.sm).

And while Guix/Hurd isn't there yet as a daily driver (Debian/Hurd is much more polished), progress has been pretty exciting lately and it now runs on my IBM x60 -- https://todon.nl/@janneke/110451493405777898

Post by ant6n » Wed, Jun 14, 2023, 7:20 PM UTC

chem83 wrote: post #80

b112 wrote: post #74

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Did you just reply with random OS names? Android isn't iOS, the first release version looked and was nothing like Blackberry devices. (If you're making sense, clarity might help for me/others?)

OP is just saying that before iPhone/iOS was announced in 2007, there was an effort to build Android, but it was something that resembled Blackberries. After the iPhone was announced, there was a big project reset, which shifted Android to what eventually got launched in 2008. https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2013/12/the-d...

And in the xkcd household Android was used starting in 2009, and some years later iOS. Seems consistent with history.

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