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Re: Google is getting a lot worse because of the Reddit blackouts

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Post by Cpoll »

gumballindie wrote: post #60

It’s not google thats getting worse, it’s the overall internet. I expect open source will follow suit in either removing projects or sealing them off. Similarly, companies will limit access to ensure monetisation. No one wants their work stolen to train ais and then monetised for not even a mention in exchange. The dead internet is even more likely to happen.

> No one wants their work stolen to train ais and then monetised for not even a mention in exchange.

I feel (or perhaps hope) the spirit of FOSS precludes the notion of "stealing." Besides, open source is no stranger to being monetized for the bare minimum mention required by whatever license.

Re: Google is getting a lot worse because of the Reddit blackouts

#92

Post by AugurCognito »

xkbarkar wrote: post #73

I dont think I have ever got a quality search result by appending reddit. Cant for the life of me figure out how HN users find useful results there. chatgpt has improved search for me by orders of magnitude. Especially since google has started to border on useless. Bur searching reddit? Meh. Not for technical stuff at least. Niche high quality subs may point me in the right direction. Like r/ponds for example. Wonder…

I append reddit for my gaming related queries. If you are looking for game suggestions or genre-specific games or queries related to them and want to avoid SEO spam then appending reddit is the only genuine option.

Re: Google is getting a lot worse because of the Reddit blackouts

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Post by Eisenstein »

harimau777 wrote: post #79
b112 wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

everything else is content farms or SEO spam. No! The rest of the content is still there, loads of it. Google simple has stopped caring, no it is not "too hard", they just don't care enough. Case in point, Google even aids in crappy results, by aliasing your search terms, preventing precision, putting monetization above all else. Google sucks . SEO/spam is not worse, Google is, they know it, they do not care, because…

Good point. Do you find that other search engines like Kagi resolve the issue?

Brave search is better than Google or bing or duckduckgo, I find. About equivalent to kagi.

Re: Google is getting a lot worse because of the Reddit blackouts

#94

Post by Eisenstein »

poidos wrote: post #88
reportgunner wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sounds like a layer 8 issue, I have been using ddg as my main search engine and I always find what I need on the first page. Every time I stumble in to google I am appalled at how bad the UX is.

> layer 8 TIL[0]: > Layer 8 is a term used to refer to user or political layer on top of the 7-layer OSI model of computer networking. [0]: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Layer_8

Same as PEBKAC.

Re: Google is getting a lot worse because of the Reddit blackouts

#95

Post by Bitsc »

Fyrezerk wrote: post #80
xkbarkar wrote: post #73

I dont think I have ever got a quality search result by appending reddit. Cant for the life of me figure out how HN users find useful results there. chatgpt has improved search for me by orders of magnitude. Especially since google has started to border on useless. Bur searching reddit? Meh. Not for technical stuff at least. Niche high quality subs may point me in the right direction. Like r/ponds for example. Wonder…

I challenge you to provide me a better resource than reddit for finding reliable product reviews and discussions for just about anything you can buy.

Depends on the product. For Game Reviews, Steam reviews are better.

The problem with reddit is that just because someone recommends a product, doesn't mean they actually bought/experienced it. That being said it is a great way to find a product's defects, as people usually post to reddit.

Re: Google is getting a lot worse because of the Reddit blackouts

#96

Post by reportgunner »

badtension wrote: post #84
xkbarkar wrote: post #73

I dont think I have ever got a quality search result by appending reddit. Cant for the life of me figure out how HN users find useful results there. chatgpt has improved search for me by orders of magnitude. Especially since google has started to border on useless. Bur searching reddit? Meh. Not for technical stuff at least. Niche high quality subs may point me in the right direction. Like r/ponds for example. Wonder…

Reddit is one of the few places where you can find an honest (on average) discussion between common people about a variety of topics. This is very unique if you understand that the world is a complex beast and yes/no or authoritative answers may not be the best way to learn about it. Having perspective of many people that you can parse and apply to your own world model is very powerful, be it politics, local events o…

I would like to see an example of that. I dont remember a single time I found anything useful on reddit other than info copy pasted from some website that had actually usable UX.

Re: Google is getting a lot worse because of the Reddit blackouts

#97

Post by reportgunner »

AugurCognito wrote: post #92
xkbarkar wrote: post #73

I dont think I have ever got a quality search result by appending reddit. Cant for the life of me figure out how HN users find useful results there. chatgpt has improved search for me by orders of magnitude. Especially since google has started to border on useless. Bur searching reddit? Meh. Not for technical stuff at least. Niche high quality subs may point me in the right direction. Like r/ponds for example. Wonder…

I append reddit for my gaming related queries. If you are looking for game suggestions or genre-specific games or queries related to them and want to avoid SEO spam then appending reddit is the only genuine option.

Game wikis are much better than this. Game reddits are incredible echo chambers where completely new players ask questions that should be typed into google and not an internet forum.

Re: Google is getting a lot worse because of the Reddit blackouts

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Post by reportgunner »

Fyrezerk wrote: post #80
xkbarkar wrote: post #73

I dont think I have ever got a quality search result by appending reddit. Cant for the life of me figure out how HN users find useful results there. chatgpt has improved search for me by orders of magnitude. Especially since google has started to border on useless. Bur searching reddit? Meh. Not for technical stuff at least. Niche high quality subs may point me in the right direction. Like r/ponds for example. Wonder…

I challenge you to provide me a better resource than reddit for finding reliable product reviews and discussions for just about anything you can buy.

4chan general threads. /g/ for tech, /diy/ or /out/ for tools and gear, /ck/ for cooking and more.

If you need to actively find a review for some item you want to buy it's probably not that great of an item imho.

Re: Google is getting a lot worse because of the Reddit blackouts

#99

Post by dolni »

Cpoll wrote: post #91
gumballindie wrote: post #60

It’s not google thats getting worse, it’s the overall internet. I expect open source will follow suit in either removing projects or sealing them off. Similarly, companies will limit access to ensure monetisation. No one wants their work stolen to train ais and then monetised for not even a mention in exchange. The dead internet is even more likely to happen.

> No one wants their work stolen to train ais and then monetised for not even a mention in exchange. I feel (or perhaps hope ) the spirit of FOSS precludes the notion of "stealing." Besides, open source is no stranger to being monetized for the bare minimum mention required by whatever license.

What are you on about? A significant portion of open source software is GPL licensed.

Taking GPL'd code and redistributing it without making the source available IS stealing. It is community code. If you want to use it, you have to give back. Otherwise pick something with a BSD or MIT license.

Re: Google is getting a lot worse because of the Reddit blackouts

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Post by function_seven »

ChoGGi wrote: post #89
pharmakom wrote: post #42

Google should buy Reddit and run it like a non profit, keep the users happy. But also they can use it for LLM training and put it into the Google index.

Google groups and Google+ say hi

They say hi, I Wave back.

Man, those were the days.

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