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Hotel Owners Start to Write Off San Francisco as Business Nosedives

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Re: Hotel Owners Start to Write Off San Francisco as Business Nosedives

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Post by CalRobert »

nradov wrote: post #80
CalRobert wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's only a feeling, and might be confirmation bias (I moved abroad as well) but it feels like more people I know are leaving the US entirely. Certainly more of my peer group than my parents' generation.

The US still has a positive net migration rate with pretty much every other country, including all major EU member states.

Absolutely, which is part of why I mention my peer group. But if you're a mid-30's programmer with a family (or planning to start one) the EU can be tempting, if you can work around the large salary gap.

Re: Hotel Owners Start to Write Off San Francisco as Business Nosedives

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Post by CalRobert »

gigatexal wrote: post #96
CalRobert wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's only a feeling, and might be confirmation bias (I moved abroad as well) but it feels like more people I know are leaving the US entirely. Certainly more of my peer group than my parents' generation.

I agree. I miss a lot of home (family, taco bell, friends, some freedoms) but I really do enjoy the healthcare, the lack of anxiety from gun violence, the stable government, and the lack of stress. I am trying to get folks I know to move out of the US, too!

Hah! Admittedly good taco shops and In-N-Out are something I miss about the bay, along with many other wonderful things. I wouldn't mind at least _some_ of that can-do spirit and willingness to take risks, either, cheesy as it sounds.

I bring up US working holiday visa arrangements (with Ireland, Australia, New Zealand, Singapore, and South Korea), the Dutch American Friendship Treaty (surprisingly straightforward way to live in the Netherlands if you can employ yourself), recent loosening of German immigration rules, and oddball options like the French Foreign Legion or living in Svalbard far too often in casual conversation.

Re: Hotel Owners Start to Write Off San Francisco as Business Nosedives

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Post by kubb »

bryceneal wrote: post #89
kubb wrote: post #41

Is this the Bay Area population of HN expressing their frustration that there are many homeless people in SF? These posts come up from time to time. I was there some 4 years ago, and I met some homeless folks for sure, but the city was nice.

I lived there for around 8 years, and specifically near City hall for around 6 of those. My neighborhood near City Hall became increasingly unsafe over time, and after witnessing a couple of incidents such as an unarmed robbery which resulted in a physical altercation with an employee at my local Walgreens, an accidental fire started in the encampment outside of my building which partially set fire to the building an…

The drugs are a nation wide issue though? I've seen videos of parts of Philadelphia full of people on fentanyl.

Re: Hotel Owners Start to Write Off San Francisco as Business Nosedives

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Post by yowzadave »

gigatexal wrote: post #96
CalRobert wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's only a feeling, and might be confirmation bias (I moved abroad as well) but it feels like more people I know are leaving the US entirely. Certainly more of my peer group than my parents' generation.

I agree. I miss a lot of home (family, taco bell, friends, some freedoms) but I really do enjoy the healthcare, the lack of anxiety from gun violence, the stable government, and the lack of stress. I am trying to get folks I know to move out of the US, too!

Curious where you moved to?

Re: Hotel Owners Start to Write Off San Francisco as Business Nosedives

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Post by mc32 »

pixel3234 wrote: post #53
mc32 wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Turning upscale hotels into SROs isn’t a way to regain valuation.

Not SROs! Hotels should be fully compensated at commercial rate! Maybe slight discount for long term stay could be negotiated. Even $500 per night would be cheaper than current policy!

At 500/night that's... $15,000 mo. I can't imagine they could not find a cheaper solution renting housing in Manteca or elsewhere in the valley. At 500/night that's just lining pockets somewhere at the expense of multiple levels of taxpayers.

Re: Hotel Owners Start to Write Off San Francisco as Business Nosedives

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Post by coolhand2120 »

rsynnott wrote: post #87
losvedir wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can never tell if these things are SF residents expressing frustration, or people outside of SF expressing a sort of wishful spite. I sort of learned my lesson in taking these things at face value with that evolving story of the tech exec who was stabbed. That said, what did strike me as a little odd were a lot of comments on the Vision Pro threads about where if you walk around with it on outside, you'll be instan…

> That said, what did strike me as a little odd were a lot of comments on the Vision Pro threads about where if you walk around with it on outside, you'll be instantly mugged. I mean, as someone who visits San Francisco for work from time to time... I'm fairly sure that's not actually true? It's never felt particularly unsafe; it's just a normal largish city (albeit with an awful lot of homelessness).

SF is pretty famous for car break ins. The attitude of the police and the population at large is if you left ANYTHING in your car it’s your fault for baiting the car. The police do nothing when it happens, and it happens many, many times a day. Source: I fly in to my company’s SF HQ frequently and this is both what the locals say and it’s also my experience there. SF is on a whole different level when it comes to car break ins.

Re: Hotel Owners Start to Write Off San Francisco as Business Nosedives

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Post by coolhand2120 »

muglug wrote: post #92
Varqu wrote: post #35

Congrats to SF politicians (and people who voted for them) for ruining this city.

TIL that SF politicians created the COVID pandemic and drove the WFH policies that emptied out the business district. SF suffers from many of the same problems that other much-more-conservative cities suffer from, but you don’t hear about them as much because it doesn’t fit a narrative. I live in NYC, and visit SF often for work. I’m fascinated in the similarities and difference between the cities. For example, pre-p…

Do you have any citations to back up “SF is just as bad as X city?” I travel a lot as work out of a SF office. It really is a lot worse than say Los Angeles which is a high bar to cross. I think the biggest difference between SF and other cities is that SF supports criminals. Car break ins are not investigated. Shoplifting is legal. Drug use is effectively legal. Physical assault/robbery is effectively legal for some cohorts. Criminals come to SF for these reasons. It’s lawlessness supported by the city council. And they’re currently talking about giving every black resident $6M dollars because of the California slave trade, mind you slavery was never in CA. But this is what the city council is interested in. These people are interested in exacerbating the problem, not fixing it. I keep thinking there’s some threshold, but there isn’t, SF seems destined to become like Detroit.

Re: Hotel Owners Start to Write Off San Francisco as Business Nosedives

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Post by rsynnott »

coolhand2120 wrote: post #116
rsynnott wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> That said, what did strike me as a little odd were a lot of comments on the Vision Pro threads about where if you walk around with it on outside, you'll be instantly mugged. I mean, as someone who visits San Francisco for work from time to time... I'm fairly sure that's not actually true? It's never felt particularly unsafe; it's just a normal largish city (albeit with an awful lot of homelessness).

SF is pretty famous for car break ins. The attitude of the police and the population at large is if you left ANYTHING in your car it’s your fault for baiting the car. The police do nothing when it happens, and it happens many, many times a day. Source: I fly in to my company’s SF HQ frequently and this is both what the locals say and it’s also my experience there. SF is on a whole different level when it comes to car…

> The attitude of the police and the population at large is if you left ANYTHING in your car it’s your fault for baiting the car.

... Is that not the attitude of the police _everywhere_, though? I've never heard of the police anywhere taking much of an interest in items stolen from cars; it's not like they really have a realistic way to pursue that even if they wanted to.

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Post by caeril »

CPLX wrote: post #12
x3874 wrote: post #9

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Have you actually been to NYC? It’s completely thriving.

NYC has the unique distinction among Democrat-run large cities of having a well-funded and well-staffed police authority that is not (yet) hamstrung by political interference. The NYPD is actually feared and respected by would-be criminals, which is a far cry from SFPD, PPB, et. al.

Re: Hotel Owners Start to Write Off San Francisco as Business Nosedives

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Post by 62951413 »

coolhand2120 wrote: post #117
muglug wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

TIL that SF politicians created the COVID pandemic and drove the WFH policies that emptied out the business district. SF suffers from many of the same problems that other much-more-conservative cities suffer from, but you don’t hear about them as much because it doesn’t fit a narrative. I live in NYC, and visit SF often for work. I’m fascinated in the similarities and difference between the cities. For example, pre-p…

Do you have any citations to back up “SF is just as bad as X city?” I travel a lot as work out of a SF office. It really is a lot worse than say Los Angeles which is a high bar to cross. I think the biggest difference between SF and other cities is that SF supports criminals. Car break ins are not investigated. Shoplifting is legal. Drug use is effectively legal. Physical assault/robbery is effectively legal for some…

"SF ranks last among 63 cities in downtown recovery, data shows" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrCOyIWqsP4)
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