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Re: The Reddit blackout will continue

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Post by didntcheck »

reaperducer wrote: post #337
b3orn wrote: post #267

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Classic forums aren't connected with each other, you need a new account for every forum you want to participate in, sometimes just to look at the content. On Reddit (or StackExchange) you can have one account to access "forums" for almost everything, call it low friction if you want.

you need a new account for every forum you want to participate in That was true about ten years ago. Most forums that keep their software up to date support logging in with a number of SSO systems.

Do they commonly allow arbitrary OpenID hosts? There was a brief golden period around I think 2014 where I'd see that logo on sites, but now they all seem to implement it behind the scenes, yet whitelist it to only Google, Facebook, and Apple. None of whom I would like to use to authenticate with most forums

Re: The Reddit blackout will continue

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Post by cykros »

yellowapple wrote: post #168
4dregress wrote: post #104

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I can't agree with this enough. The internet today is a cesspit, it needs a git reset hard back to the days when communities were based around forums. I made a lot of real life friends from the forums I frequented. Oh the good old days :(

That's the thing I'm looking forward to with the evolution of the "Fediverse" and other efforts toward federation/decentralization. The problem with traditional forums was that they were all little silos disconnected from one another; now those forums can talk to each other via ActivityPub or what have you, offering a nicer balance between "isolated but tight-knit community" v. "expansive but highly-impersonal masses…

I still wonder if we're just reinventing the wheel when NNTP and FIDONet both solved this issue of connecting the disparate message bases nearly half a century ago.

I get building out to include more features, but it really feels like a lot of what's already been accomplished is just going unused.

Re: The Reddit blackout will continue

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Post by cykros »

basch wrote: post #240
zozbot234 wrote: post #201

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Are there traditional forums/bulletin boards with Fediverse interop? The Fediverse platforms I'm aware of seem to all be focusing on cloning the existing UX of big walled-garden sites, which seems like a dubious approach. We know that forums/BB's can work quite well, so why not bring that UX back with "federation" (i.e. interacting with outside users and service instances) as a pure added feature?

Between chat and branching threads, is it really worth going back to linear pagination?

It depends on the use case. Flat forums are vastly superior when it's about having a discussion (singular) rather than a bunch of splintered bits of information being shared.

It's worth remembering that Usenet had threading -- it's nothing new.

Re: The Reddit blackout will continue

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Post by AndrewKemendo »

saaaaaam wrote: post #365
mnsc wrote: post #322

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This is value: https://i.imgur.com/QGEwbPI.png I don't think I will read anything else this insightful today. Would I pay for this thread? Absolutely. Would I pay $19.99/month for HNPREMIUM where I could read "the full thread" of top content providers like mjburgess? Nope.

I can’t exactly pinpoint what it is about this but I can’t help feeling that there’s a certain irony in you taking a screenshot of a perfectly readable, accessible post on here and posting that as (to my mind) a less readable less accessible, decontextualised piece of content - an image on an image sharing site. Is it because people will genuinely engage with that content there? Is it a “this is such good content I’v…

I can only guess that they simply wanted a pointer to a contained set of data with bounded reference

So that was easier or more impactful to communicate via image than typing “this thread is valuable”

At least that’s how it made sense to me

Re: The Reddit blackout will continue

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Post by frankacter »

rcxdude wrote: post #361
frankacter wrote: post #148

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Because they have gone on public record with those numbers and as of yet, no one has refuted them. Do you have an alternate source of user level data that breaks down average vs. outliers and that ratio that you feel is more accurate? The free tier is 100 queries per minute for an OAuth logged in client per the public statement, and that number has also been stated by a few 3rd party app developers. That is a lot for…

The main issue here is that the number isn't relevant: it's per API key, not per user. So unless reddit starts handing out API keys to every user then it doesn't make the slightest difference to third party apps.

It is relevant. Developers have the ability to throttle and/or monetize users based on usage to pass on those costs to power user outliers, while not impacting the majority of their users that fall into that free tier.

Re: The Reddit blackout will continue

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Post by pmoriarty »

mentalpiracy wrote: post #401
pmoriarty wrote: post #379

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"I find IRC incredible frustrating exactly because I can't easily see the history and continue conversations. I usually connect to IRC channels through a browser client or a desktop app, but all too often, my browser would lose the connection or my computer would go to sleep, disconnecting me from the server." This far been a solved problem for 30 years. You just run an IRC bouncer on a host that's always up (like on…

“solved problem” for 0.01% of use cases is not how I would normally define the phrase.

It's a solved problem in the sense of how to change the oil in your car is a solved problem. You can learn how to do it and do it yourself with equipment that already exists. You don't need to design or build anything yourself, but use existing components.

Now, most people might not have any interest in learning how to change the oil in their cars, and don't want to bother even if they have the knowledge. They prefer to hire someone else to do it for them.

So it is with Discord, where you "pay" for the service by giving Discord your data and handing over control over your communities to them.

Re: The Reddit blackout will continue

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Post by mnsc »

AndrewKemendo wrote: post #414
saaaaaam wrote: post #365

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I can’t exactly pinpoint what it is about this but I can’t help feeling that there’s a certain irony in you taking a screenshot of a perfectly readable, accessible post on here and posting that as (to my mind) a less readable less accessible, decontextualised piece of content - an image on an image sharing site. Is it because people will genuinely engage with that content there? Is it a “this is such good content I’v…

I can only guess that they simply wanted a pointer to a contained set of data with bounded reference So that was easier or more impactful to communicate via image than typing “this thread is valuable” At least that’s how it made sense to me

You're right and sorry, It was just a online way of me enthusiastically pointing at a thing and trying to say: This is value, just a snippet of text on a pale yellow background, where no-one were actively trying to create this value. I can't really put my finger on what I'm trying to say though so i guess that is the root the confusion. :D Like, I don't get paid for this content so it doesn't have to make sense.

edit: also I use greenshot so it's too easy for me to screenshot and get an imgur-link. And yes, I'm a screenshoter, sending my colleagues images of text all the time. I'm lucky to be alive still.

edit2: example, slack dm from 1 hour ago https://i.imgur.com/807OQML.png

Re: The Reddit blackout will continue

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Post by HWR_14 »

cykros wrote: post #383
4dregress wrote: post #104

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I can't agree with this enough. The internet today is a cesspit, it needs a git reset hard back to the days when communities were based around forums. I made a lot of real life friends from the forums I frequented. Oh the good old days :(

I've been spending a lot of time thinking and talking about the decline of independent forums. And I think there's a lot to be said about the fundamental change in the legal environment today compared to the early 2000s. Back then, sure, there was moderation, but there was also plenty of content that, while not egregious, by today's standard would certainly keep a small independent forum sysop up at night. Linking to…

Are links to pirated content illegal, or just down ranked in Google?

Re: The Reddit blackout will continue

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Post by dale_glass »

pmoriarty wrote: post #305
rurban wrote: post #286

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sorry, but forums killed the internet. forums channeled the global usenet discussions onto private webpages, with private censorship rules in the hand of the maintainer, out of the common block lists of the reader. spam killed that unfortunately, and then university admins. oh, the good old days.

"forums channeled the global usenet discussions onto private webpages, with private censorship rules in the hand of the maintainer, out of the common block lists of the reader. spam killed that unfortunately, and then university admins." Spam keeps getting blamed for the death of Usenet, but spam filters worked fine then. No, the real death of Usenet was the excitement over the web, and the ability of web forums to h…

What killed USENET was the lack of moderation. And also spam.

Way in the early ages when nearly everyone was a professional or some sort of tech enthusiast, things were nice and pleasant.

But eventually the unwashed masses flooded in, and USENET had no way of dealing with some rude teen telling the lead C++ dev at Borland that he was an idiot. Gradually the best contributors decided they had better things to do, and wandered off elsewhere.

Moderation and spam filtering also sucked. Yeah, you could have kill files, but that had to be done by everyone independently. It didn't scale, and didn't prevent from plenty other people reacting to whatever jerk had wandered in.

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