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Re: The Reddit blackout will continue

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Post by ornornor »

Kiro wrote: post #256
mjburgess wrote: post #251

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The trajectory of discord might be: under-charge and bring in users to supply content; increase charge when users now depend on that content; fail & monetize their data and their attention; succeed & implode because users dont want their attention/data monetized. This would be less of an issue if users had clear legal rights (perhaps IP rights) to their own data. I'd have fewer problems with "commercial platforms" if…

What's the free labour on Discord?

Network effect. More and more projects, creators, friends setup a discord which brings more and more people in.

These are moderated by whoever created them, and bringing more users (followers) is the creator’s work. But people depending on discord is what discord is after.

I fully expect a bait and switch on this platform once it has captured enough users.

Re: The Reddit blackout will continue

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Post by mnsc »

mjburgess wrote: post #266
Kiro wrote: post #256

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's the free labour on Discord?

Every time you type you create value for the platform. Moderators, users, etc. are people volunteering for each other -- not for discord. Discord is just a public park. At some point probably they'll go full social-media-megacorp and start to believe they own all groups using the public park; all their leaflets, and posters, and boardgames. All their time and effort. This is really the heart of the reddit blackout. W…

This is value: https://i.imgur.com/QGEwbPI.png

I don't think I will read anything else this insightful today. Would I pay for this thread? Absolutely. Would I pay $19.99/month for HNPREMIUM where I could read "the full thread" of top content providers like mjburgess? Nope.

Re: The Reddit blackout will continue

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Post by bsder »

klipklop wrote: post #117

Spez assumes he has more power than Reddit users. He is likely right. Sadly. I wish people would just stop using that site and go back to web forums, but that is never happening. The average person enjoys the convenience of consolidation under one corporate overlord. I assume the ipo will allow him to eventually join the (multi-millionaire?) billionaire class. One would assume he would fight tooth and nail to make th…

> I wish people would just stop using that site and go back to web forums, but that is never happening.

I can tell you that a bunch of the technical Reddits have just shut down. I suspect that's going to put a big dent in things because site:reddit.com is going to be dead in Google. And that's the only thing holding people on Reddit.

Unfortunately, those technical sub-Reddits are almost always moving to Discord. :(

Once "site:discord.com" becomes a thing, Reddit is cooked.

Re: The Reddit blackout will continue

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Post by dale_glass »

makeitdouble wrote: post #250
azangru wrote: post #205

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> it needs a git reset hard back to the days when communities were based around forums What's stopping anyone today to have a community around a forum? phpBB still exists...

The friction and the money perhaps. I found the story of Hive (the social network) fascinating in that it was basically that idea of someone jumping in, learning the ropes, building a platform. And getting crushed under how much knowledge and effort, ultimately money, is needed to run a decent platform. Their team was truely incompetent, but looking under the surface they were really a group of a few amateurs trying…

That sounds interesting, I don't think I've heard of Hive before.

Do you have more info on this story about them?

Re: The Reddit blackout will continue

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Post by INTPenis »

tester457 wrote: post #297
INTPenis wrote: post #146

This whole model of social media in today's internet is unsustainable. We will undoubtedly move towards a future internet with two main camps. The corporate social media where users have to either pay to play, or be locked into walled gardens without their consent, or sometimes even knowledge. The other camp will be various decentralized platforms such as the fediverse and others. We had a relatively quick (in histor…

I can't imagine the decentralized camp ever growing significantly. On r/RedditAlternatives people are discussing what sites to migrate to. The federated kbin and lemmy are getting significantly less attention than the centralized squabbles. [1] Many redditors complain that sites being federated is actually a downside, as they don't understand it and even if they do they rather not explain it to their friends. [1] htt…

Oh I agree, if you read my other comment in this thread I already said that the vast majority of internet users will use centralized corporate social media.

But I'm hoping that with accessibility improvements the decentralized camp will grow, and it will forever remain a factor. Or as long as the internet as a backbone is free enough.

Re: The Reddit blackout will continue

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Post by seydor »

BlackJack wrote: post #28

I read the comments and many are in this vein: "Agreed, moderators with a power complex are the worst thing about this site. Don't even care about this API crap." Never realized mods were so disliked. I thought the blackout sent a message+got coverage, but don't like subreddits extending it without consulting their users. I use reddit about 5-10 minutes/day so I don't care either way.

> Never realized mods were so disliked

That's because they ban those people left and right

People are rightly pissed at mods here, they are constant abusers of their power

Re: The Reddit blackout will continue

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Post by tyg13 »

SilverBirch wrote: post #300
HansTheOne wrote: post #174

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I disagree with you, but especially the second part. Users advertise their interests by the subs they subscribe to, it would be very easy to target them. You could even go so far and let users up and downvote ads they think are relevant to them. The problem is more with the whole way reddit inc goes about how they interact with their users and power users. You shouldn't be openly hostile against your own users (excep…

It really fascinates me that people think Reddit is hostile to their users, because when you really look at it, aren't reddit's users incredibly hostile to reddit management? Like really if you look at it from the outside you have this community that does this incredibly nasty things and then every time management steps in to try and correct it the community goes into uproar. I'm not saying the management have handle…

Who was nasty first? Are you trying to say the community brought this API change upon itself?

Re: The Reddit blackout will continue

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Post by makeitdouble »

dale_glass wrote: post #326
makeitdouble wrote: post #250

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The friction and the money perhaps. I found the story of Hive (the social network) fascinating in that it was basically that idea of someone jumping in, learning the ropes, building a platform. And getting crushed under how much knowledge and effort, ultimately money, is needed to run a decent platform. Their team was truely incompetent, but looking under the surface they were really a group of a few amateurs trying…

That sounds interesting, I don't think I've heard of Hive before. Do you have more info on this story about them?

I've heard about them when it was discovered they screwed their S3 permissions, but otherwise there was a small interview (way after the incidents) with the founder that covered a lot of what/why/how they were doing:

https://www.theverge.com/23607095/vergecast-solo-acts-hive-s...

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