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Re: The Reddit blackout will continue

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Post by fernandotakai »

tester457 wrote: post #95
reso wrote: post #71

Is there something counter-intuitive about reddit that makes it hard to monetize? That's the core issue. Reddit still makes barely $1/user/month while instagram makes $35. Cutting off the 3rd party apps is a cost-cutting move, not a revenue-generating move. Why haven't they managed to find more revenue? I'm loath to say it but Huffman has had a decade to solve this and hasn't. Might be time for new leadership with ne…

Redditors aren't as valuable to sell to because they are more likely to use ad blockers. That and instagram ads are said to be better.

i hate to say it but instagram ads are REALLY good.

i constantly find good restaurants via ads. out of my top 5 fav restaurants, 3 i found via ads.

Re: The Reddit blackout will continue

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Post by tommit »

pmoriarty wrote: post #233
selcuka wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> [...] especially if those users fall into cohorts that are less financially valuable Maybe, but my guess is they also produce the majority of the content that other users come to Reddit to consume. So it's a dangerous game.

I don't know where you got the idea that power users produce most of the content. As far as I can tell it's ordinary users who produce much of the content.

Then what is your definition of a power user?

Re: The Reddit blackout will continue

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Post by pmoriarty »

hacb wrote: post #209
zmmmmm wrote: post #136

I think a different approach would work better at this point. They need to stay up but use their subreddits to publicly plan Reddit "exits" for each community. Subreddits should start polls on where migrate to (discord, lemmy, mastodon, etc etc), and then start systematically cross posting anything posted to their subreddit to the new space, with comments turned off on the Reddit version. The key in a negotiation is…

If my favorites subreddits go to Discord, I'll simply not go there. Discord has nothing to do like a forum, it is almost impossible to search for valuable information, and is really hard to use when dozens and dozens of people are talking simultaneously. I really don't get why so many people want their sub to go to Discord tbh.

From the frying pan in to the fire. Discord doesn't even have third party apps.

Re: The Reddit blackout will continue

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Post by fernandotakai »

atraac wrote: post #34
nkuttler wrote: post #2

I dislike that I have to make an effort to entertain myself during downtimes, but this is an excellent exercise for a future where reddit execs might just have made the site unusable for me.

I also have to fight the urge of not opening it, but I don't think I plan on coming back at this point. This made me realize that I was addicted to doomscrolling and constant brainless checking on my favorite subreddits. I genuinely found myself more productive than ever since I uninstalled Apollo when blackout started.

it's sad because my fav places on reddit are all related to sports (american football, football, baseball, chess, esports) and i don't want to go do discord.

tildes might fill the niche i have, but it's still quite small.

Re: The Reddit blackout will continue

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Post by INTPenis »

djvdq wrote: post #227
INTPenis wrote: post #146

This whole model of social media in today's internet is unsustainable. We will undoubtedly move towards a future internet with two main camps. The corporate social media where users have to either pay to play, or be locked into walled gardens without their consent, or sometimes even knowledge. The other camp will be various decentralized platforms such as the fediverse and others. We had a relatively quick (in histor…

There's good article about it: https://www.theverge.com/2023/4/18/23672769/social-media-ine...

Very gloomy title though. And the content is very niched.

I believe a majority of internet users will still use large corporate social media, simply because it's easier. We as developers have to understand that most users are not like us, they only want an accessible and simple experience when staying in touch with people and sharing their lives.

But the power users, the ones who made up the majority of internet users back in the 90s and early 2000s, they will perhaps stay on those platforms and have one foot in the decentralized camp, or be fully in the decentralized camp. Hopefully with time the number of power users increases with decentralized media becoming more accessible and people becoming more educated on how to use it.

But there will without a doubt always be a majority of users in the more accessible and better marketed alternatives.

Re: The Reddit blackout will continue

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Post by zmmmmm »

hacb wrote: post #209
zmmmmm wrote: post #136

I think a different approach would work better at this point. They need to stay up but use their subreddits to publicly plan Reddit "exits" for each community. Subreddits should start polls on where migrate to (discord, lemmy, mastodon, etc etc), and then start systematically cross posting anything posted to their subreddit to the new space, with comments turned off on the Reddit version. The key in a negotiation is…

If my favorites subreddits go to Discord, I'll simply not go there. Discord has nothing to do like a forum, it is almost impossible to search for valuable information, and is really hard to use when dozens and dozens of people are talking simultaneously. I really don't get why so many people want their sub to go to Discord tbh.

same here, totally mystified. One of my favorite subreddits went over to Discord and apart from the UI/UX being horrific, it doesn't seem to replicate much of the Reddit experience. It's just a giant chat session with a few subtopics it's a cesspool of animated emojis etc.

Re: The Reddit blackout will continue

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Post by tester457 »

INTPenis wrote: post #146

This whole model of social media in today's internet is unsustainable. We will undoubtedly move towards a future internet with two main camps. The corporate social media where users have to either pay to play, or be locked into walled gardens without their consent, or sometimes even knowledge. The other camp will be various decentralized platforms such as the fediverse and others. We had a relatively quick (in histor…

I can't imagine the decentralized camp ever growing significantly.

On r/RedditAlternatives people are discussing what sites to migrate to. The federated kbin and lemmy are getting significantly less attention than the centralized squabbles. [1]

Many redditors complain that sites being federated is actually a downside, as they don't understand it and even if they do they rather not explain it to their friends.

[1] https://www.reddit.com/r/RedditAlternatives/comments/148tn2s...

Re: The Reddit blackout will continue

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Post by eloisant »

slg wrote: post #217
mjburgess wrote: post #56

The first 10 years of the internet were volunteers creating for other volunteers. The next 10 was volunteers for 'users'. The last 10, for corporations. The commons built in the 90s was turned into a playground in the 2000s and is now a oil well being mined by megacorps. What, I hope, interest rates are doing is shifting the balance of power to its natural point: the commons is owned by the volunteers. Megacorp's abi…

>The first 10 years of the internet were volunteers creating for other volunteers. The next 10 was volunteers for 'users'. The last 10, for corporations. And the next 10 years will remove the volunteers entirely. AI will be the one creating the content for the corporations. That seems inevitable at this point. We have already been on that path for a while with the spread of algorithmic feeds. First we removed the hum…

AI will replace mods, like they do on most social media already (Twitter, FB, etc.)

Reddit is still relying on volunteers human mods but I don't see Reddit needed them for long.

Re: The Reddit blackout will continue

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Post by easyThrowaway »

midoridensha wrote: post #265
tut-urut-utut wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why should we care if it’s financial failure for its owners as long as it brings the same value to its users?

Tumblr doesn't bring the same value to its users as it did before; it's basically forgotten these days, much like MySpace.

Ironically enough, tumblr is going trough some sort of "indie/lo-fi" renaissance now that Automattic bought them. I don't think they even want to go back to being an alternative to FB/Instagram/Twitter.

Re: The Reddit blackout will continue

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Post by SilverBirch »

HansTheOne wrote: post #174
SilverBirch wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Cutting off 3rd party apps isn't a cost cutting move. It has two clear benefits - firstly they can push users into the officially supported apps where ads can be shown in a more controlled fashion and metrics on those ads can be gathered. Second, it removes the ability for other companies to programmatically gather Reddit's data - this is important in the context of large language models where investors are convinced…

I disagree with you, but especially the second part. Users advertise their interests by the subs they subscribe to, it would be very easy to target them. You could even go so far and let users up and downvote ads they think are relevant to them. The problem is more with the whole way reddit inc goes about how they interact with their users and power users. You shouldn't be openly hostile against your own users (excep…

It really fascinates me that people think Reddit is hostile to their users, because when you really look at it, aren't reddit's users incredibly hostile to reddit management? Like really if you look at it from the outside you have this community that does this incredibly nasty things and then every time management steps in to try and correct it the community goes into uproar. I'm not saying the management have handled it well, but the userbase is a complete dumpster fire.
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