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Re: The Reddit blackout will continue

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Post by silisili »

nickstinemates wrote: post #137
silisili wrote: post #19

Honestly, I'm enjoying it. Most of my smaller subs are active. A couple of the bigger ones I'm subbed to are active without moderation, and people are saying they enjoy it more. What I'm not seeing are all the bad news headlines, political gotchas, and click bait that make me frustrated. I've just realized I should have unsubbed to most of these places a long time ago.

Would be amazing to see /r/news, /r/worldnews, /r/politics, et all, active without moderation.

It's what most of these conversations are missing. This isn't 'poor volunteers doing good for the community', it's 'powerhungry idealists with the time to waste shaping conversation.'

Re: The Reddit blackout will continue

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Post by deafpolygon »

spartanatreyu wrote: post #68
jazzyjackson wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yea, definitely more of a mod revolt than a user revolt I feel like a lot of users have had it up to here with mod abuse too, maybe smaller subreddits with less automation would be preferable to mega reddits with bots that auto-ban you for being new to the community

> definitely more of a mod revolt than a user revolt As a user I completely disagree. As a user, I want to use a UI that works for me. I don't want to use a mobile website that prevents me from reading comments and forces me to use an app. As a user, I want a service that releases quality of life fixes, not a service that says the fixes are coming for years but instead decides to release half-baked features every 6 m…

You'll be back.

Re: The Reddit blackout will continue

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Post by Timon3 »

seydor wrote: post #98
abashore wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A lot of those mods held polls in their communities and among their peers before going dark. I don't think the large subreddits are getting unilaterally shut down.

it's always like that -- reddit users always like drama so i did not expect they would vote otherwise. i think the whole idea is bad though Reddit has much bigger problems to solve. First and foremost, that users have no recourse from moderation abuses, and this is killing the community more than the API changes.

If the people voted for it, how are the mods holding them hostage? Both the mods and the people want it.

Re: The Reddit blackout will continue

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Post by logifail »

selcuka wrote: post #25
KnobbleMcKnees wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's purely a numbers game. If the amount of revenue you'll achieve from less users gives you a more positive multi year outlook financially then losing the users is "worth it", especially if those users fall into cohorts that are less financially valuable. Unfortunately that includes people who take part in blackouts as they correlate highly with people who e.g. run adblockers, use third party apps, etc.

> [...] especially if those users fall into cohorts that are less financially valuable Maybe, but my guess is they also produce the majority of the content that other users come to Reddit to consume. So it's a dangerous game.

> So it's a dangerous game

Of course the managers/executives making/approving decisions like this know it's a dangerous game, but it's not dangerous for them because they know IBGYBG[0]

They have no "skin in the game"[1] meaning the incentives are all wrong, how do we expect them to behave any better?

[0] "I'll be gone, you'll be gone" [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skin_in_the_Game_(book)

Re: The Reddit blackout will continue

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Post by johnnyanmac »

Grimburger wrote: post #139
mattmanser wrote: post #127

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Enough with the ChatGPT already. If you didn't write it, don't post it.

There really should be some law or adage coined for this by now. No one wants to hear GPT's opinion because it doesn't have one.

>No one wants to hear GPT's opinion because it doesn't have one.

google doesn't have an opinion either when taking any search result at large. And that's all ChatGPT is doing here.

Re: The Reddit blackout will continue

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Post by afiori »

klipklop wrote: post #117

Spez assumes he has more power than Reddit users. He is likely right. Sadly. I wish people would just stop using that site and go back to web forums, but that is never happening. The average person enjoys the convenience of consolidation under one corporate overlord. I assume the ipo will allow him to eventually join the (multi-millionaire?) billionaire class. One would assume he would fight tooth and nail to make th…

Forums do not need to be centralised but they need to be interoperable if they wish to compete with reddit.

Centralization is an easy way to do content aggregation, you can't compete if you lack good aggregation.

Re: The Reddit blackout will continue

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Post by skilled »

4dregress wrote: post #104
mjburgess wrote: post #56

The first 10 years of the internet were volunteers creating for other volunteers. The next 10 was volunteers for 'users'. The last 10, for corporations. The commons built in the 90s was turned into a playground in the 2000s and is now a oil well being mined by megacorps. What, I hope, interest rates are doing is shifting the balance of power to its natural point: the commons is owned by the volunteers. Megacorp's abi…

I can't agree with this enough. The internet today is a cesspit, it needs a git reset hard back to the days when communities were based around forums. I made a lot of real life friends from the forums I frequented. Oh the good old days :(

I have been thinking about this too over the last couple of days. What would it take to replace Reddit?

In my opinion, the UI of social media has been deliberately designed to be a dopamine waterfall that discourages people to think or invest themselves in any one community. If you analyzed the top 1000 links on Reddit r/all at any given time, without checking it myself, I think you'd find that 950 of those links are memes, funny pictures, lousy opinions or some kind of a drama going on.

And back-end is a non-issue either. A phpBB forum hosted on a DigitalOcean $6 VPS can comfortably handle 100,000 community members. But perhaps the bigger issue is that people don't even want to participate in an actual community/forum, because for example - there are no downvote/upvote buttons in phpBB. There's also no instant image preview (gratification), and you actually have to click on a new thread to read it.

So, yes, cesspit is a good word for it. But more than that its people having become so comfortable with meaningless browsing, for many of them - Reddit being gone for a few days means they will browse more TikTok or whatever else people mindlessly scroll through.

Re: The Reddit blackout will continue

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Post by km3r »

seydor wrote: post #83

Reddit's moderators are holding people hostage. This just shows how the small group of powerhungry mods acts. I hope reddit finds a solution that serves its users who provide the content.

The users that provide the content are pissed too. A significant portion of them will see the third party app they use die. I don't want to use their official app, and would be willing to pay a fair rate to do so, but their API prices are way beyond a fair rate.

Social media, especially a platform like reddit, has a special relationship with users. They aren't customers. You need the people who post, comment, and moderate or the platform dies.

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